HAMILTON family

[Bootzy]

George Stimson who married Elizabeth in 1883 is brother of Arthur who married Elizabeth’s sister Sarah’s daughter (ie technically her niece – but was raised as a sister by Elizabeth’s parents)

George b 30 May 1857 Parramatta to William Stimson & Eliza Pammenter – died 8 Dec 1926 Canley Vale

Arthur b 16 Sept 1859 Parramatta to above parents and died 21 Nov 1935 62 Harrow Rd Auburn NSW

Cumberland Argus & Fruitgrowers Thur 28 Nov 1935
Late Arthur Stimson
The death occurred at his residence, 62 Harrow-road, Auburn, last Thursday, of Mr. Arthur Stimson, a well-known identity in both Auburn and Fairield, at the age of 76. Born in Fairfield, he was the son of William Stimson, who came to the country in the early days and pioneered grape-growing in Fairfield and Canley Vale; and also acquired orchards and property in Guildford. Mr. Stimson, who was a prominent figure in the Church of Christ, Auburn, was of a kind and generous disposition, and was admired and respect by his many friends. The death of his wife occurred in November, last year, almost on the same day as that of the deceased. Mr. Stimson is survived by three sons, Syd, Eric and Stan, and five daughters,May (Mrs. Horner, of Mascot), Olive (Mrs. Morgan), Ivy, Dulcie, and Edna. A son, Percy, predeceased him..A very large funeral left for the Methodist Cemetery, Rookwood, last Saturday, Rev. Johnston officiating. His son-in-law, Rev. S. Horner, also took part in the service.

 

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Can't see a copy Geoff.

I've looked on my backup drive as well.

For Florence my tree has 'birth ?' so I have not entered any details.

Oh.

HAMILTON CHRISTINA F 14392/1868 SARAH J PARRAMATTA

Dave

Yep, that's her..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Well, that puzzle is solved.

I had better edit my tree.

Rookwood - old site and current site
Methodist 2 0000936Y STIMSON FLORENCE 24 Nov 1934
FLORENCE STIMSON Age 66 - 24/11/1934 Zone F Methodist New 02 936Y


Not this one

Marriage 1538/1866 HAMILTON JOHN - McCAUGHEY ISABELLA - BERRIMA * 26 Jul 1866


Dave

 

[horse]

Dave & Val... I need to go for a while, speak later..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

I had Arthur's death and funeral notices but not the obit.

Ok, thanks Geoff.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

... Mr. Stimson is survived by three sons, Syd, Eric and Stan, and five daughters, ... A son, Percy, predeceased him. ...

That adds to 9 but for some reason I have a possible 10th.

Betty/ Elizabeth Marjorie ? Mrs Hardaker ??

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wed 28 Aug 1974 p.56
DEATHS
HORNER, Lily May.-August 26, 1974, at hospital, late of 1 Horner Avenue, Mascot, beloved wife of the late Rev. Horner, loved sister of Ivy Stimson (deceased), Syd (Drummoyne), Percy (deceased), Eric (deceased), Olive (Mrs Morgan, deceased), Dulcie (Mrs Hynes), Edna (Mrs Hall, deceased), Stan (Queenscliff) and Betty (Mrs Hardaker) and loved sister-in-law and aunt of their families. In her 88th year.

 

[Bootzy]

NSW Unassisted Immigrant passenger List “Princess Victoria”
John Hamilton age 25 Ireland a shoemaker and Hannah wife age 24 Ireland depart Liverpool via Hobart Town to Port Jackson arriving 4 Feb 1834 their daughter Margaret was b 6 June 1834 Sydney.

SMH Tue 25 Nov 1845
On Saturday, 22nd November, 1845, in
George-street, Sydney, after a protracted illness, Hannah, the wife of John Hamilton, boot and shoe manufacturer, aged 38 years

 

[DaveHam9]

An error in the NSW BMD with Elizabeth listed twice in the index but Hannah missing from the index and one burial for each on film.


I can't see a Hardaker marriage to an Elizabeth or Betty in NSW. No death in NSW to 1986 and not in Ryerson.

 

[Bootzy]

Arthur & Sarah F or Florence nee Hamilton children as mentioned in Lily May Horner death notice..

Sydney A – 1893 Granville - dec
Walter Eric – 1896 Smithfield - dec - twin of Percy ?
Olive I - 1899 Parramatta - married Morgan
Lily M – 1887 Liverpool – married Horner
Dulcie V – 1903 Parramatta – married Hynes
Ivy M – 1889 Central Cumberland - dec
Edna G – 1905 Granville – married Hall
Stanley G – 1908 Granville

Percy Lyle Stimson died 4 Feb 1927 age 31 = b 1896 but not on BMD – we have Walter Eric b 1896 so Twins…

 

[DaveHam9]

Not twins. Just another error, Val.

Birth 26925/1894 STINSON [sic] PERCY L ARTHUR FLORENCE PARRAMATTA * 13 Sep 1894


There is a topic here re Hardaker/Hardacre but no solution.

The curious thing is that none of the other death notices mention Betty.

So, a sister-in-law but listed as a sister? Therefore on Horner side ?? Still can't find a marriage.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 27 Nov 1950 p.14
DEATHS
HORNER, Rev. Sydney Samuel Walter, M.M.-November 26, 1950, late 1st A.I.F., Congregational Minister, at Royal South Sydney Hospital, dearly beloved husband of May Horner, and father of Betty, of 1 Mary Street, Mascot, aged 62 years.

A daughter.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1943 NSW Electoral Roll - Cook - Mascot
HORNER Sidney Samuel Walter, 1 Mary street, clergyman
HORNER Lily May, 1 Mary street, home duties

1949 NSW Electoral Roll - Grayndler - Mascot
HORNER Sidney Samuel Walter, 1 Mary street, clergyman
HORNER Lily May, 1 Mary street, home duties

No Betty there.

1954 NSW Electoral Roll - Grayndler - Mascot
HORNER Lily May, 1 Mary street, home duties

Can't find after 1954 ?


Death notice for (Christina) Florence in 1934 lists grandchildren but no Betty or Elizabeth.

 

[horse]

No Betty there.

1954 NSW Electoral Roll - Grayndler - Mascot
HORNER Lily May, 1 Mary street, home duties

Can't find after 1954 ?

Unless she moved house, looks as though the transcriber may have had a senior moment

NSW E/R 1958
Lily Mary Horner
Subdistrict: Mascot
District: Watson
[Image has Lily on her own. 1 Horner Avenue.]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Oh!

Is it the correct one?

NSW E/R 1963
Lily Mary Horner
Subdistrict: Mascot
District: Watson
[Same address]

Geoff

EDIT: Horner Avenue in 1968 also..

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

No sign of Betty.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I can't find that one on NSW BMD but I can probably find it on film.

Vol 32 + 1-end (3924) Bap 1847 Church of England

That one is not in the index but I've found it on film.

Page 173
Baptisms Administed in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1847
No. 2583 When Baptised: 12 Decemr. 1847 When Born: 30th October 1847 Sarah Jane daughter of John and Isabella Hamilton Abode: George Street Quality or Profession: Shoemaker By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper

The one at the top of the page is in the index.

252/1847 V1847252 32A NORTH EDWARD S W - EDWARD J C - FRANCES E

The entry should look like this

254/1847 V1847254 32A HAMILTON ...

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I have not confirmed any of this yet.

Sarah Jane 1847- ?; one child Christina Florence, 1868

William 1850; m. Jemima Beatty 1868; died 15th January, 1917, hospital in Auburn, buried Rookwood;

Jane 1854-1939; m. John James Doran, 1882; one child.

Charles 1857-1929; m. Mary Elizabeth Hellmers, 1886; four children.

Checking the rest of those now.

V18502133 35/1850 HAMILTON WILLIAM - JOHN - ISABELLA

Page 214
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1850
No. 3175 When Baptised: 25 August 1850 When Born: 23rd July 1850 William Son of John and Isabella Hamilton Abode: George Street Quality or Profession: Shoemaker By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper


302/1868 HAMILTON WILLIAM - BEATTY JEMIMA - SYDNEY * 25 Mar

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/166796494
Sydney Mail (NSW : 1860 - 1871) Sat 2 May 1868 Page 2
MARRIAGES
HAMILTON— BEATTY.— March 28th, by the Rev. Dr. Bailey, of
the Free Church or England, Mr. William Hamilton, to
Jemima, daughter of Mr. Benjamin Beatty, both of Smithfield,
near Parramatta.

Clearly written as 28th. ???

Death 3678/1917 HAMILTON WILLIAM JOHN ISABELLA AUBURN * 18 Jan

 

[DaveHam9]

Jane 1854 ? Again can't see it in the index.

Jane Hamilton
Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
birth: 16 August 1854 New South Wales, Australia
christening: 25 February 1855 ST. PHILIP, SYDNEY, NSW
John Hamilton & Isabella
Batch: C310264

Vol 40 + 1-end (4521) Bap 1854 Church of England
Vol 42 1-2243 Bap 1855 Church of England

I'll search the films at the local library on Monday afternoon.


Marriage 4119/1882 DORAN JOHN JAMES - HAMILTON JANE - PARRAMATTA * 15 Mar

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13507968
The Sydney Morning Herald - Sat 25 Mar 1882 p.1
Marriages.
DORAN — HAMILTON. — March 15, at the residence of his
brother-in-law, Mr. James Barber, by the Rev. George Martin,
Wesleyan minister, John James, eldest son of John Doran, of
Fairfield, to Jane, fourth daughter of John Hamilton, Fairfield.


DORAN Jane Funeral notice 28AUG1939 Funeral Sydney Morning Herald 28AUG1939

DORAN JANE 16933/1939 84 YRS NEWINGTON AUBURN * 26 Aug

 

[DaveHam9]

??
10159/1857 HAMILTON CHARLES JOHN ISABELLA PENRITH * 24 Jun
10195/1857 HAMILTON CHARLES JOHN ISABELLA PENRITH * 13 Jul

Marriage 4867/1886 HAMILTON CHARLES - HELLMERS MARY E - LIVERPOOL

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71064921
Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 - 1907) Sat 10 Jul 1886 Page 35
MARRIAGES
HAMILTON - HELLMERS.—June 24, at St. Luke's
Church, Liverpool, by the R.C.D.F. Priddle,
Charles, youngest son of the late John Hamilton.
of Mark Lodge, Fairfield, to Mary Elizabeth, third
daughter of Frederick Hellmers, Esq., of Canley Vale.


HAMILTON Charles Death notice 17NOV1929 Death 73 late of Fairfield Sydney Morning Herald 18NOV1929

Death 19868/1929 HAMILTON CHARLES JOHN 74 YRS ROOKWOOD ASYLUM GRANVILLE * 17 Nov

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16602915

 

[DaveHam9]

Death for Sarah Jane. Did she marry after 1868?

??
247/1871 JOSEPH THOMAS - HAMILTON SARAH - SYDNEY

Deaths 8x Sarah Joseph.

Deaths
HODSON SARAH J 5295/1926 JOHN ISABELLA - SYDNEY
MILLER SARAH 3571/1934 JOHN ISABELLA - WOOLLAHRA
GALLAGHER SARAH 2813/1940 JOHN ISABELLA - RANDWICK
DANAHER SARAH JANE 8894/1944 JOHN ISABELLA GLEBE

HODSON Sarah Jane Death notice 09MAY1926 Death 72 at Darlinghurst Sydney Morning Herald 12MAY1926

MILLER Sarah Death notice 17JAN1934 Death 66 at Woollahra Sydney Morning Herald 18JAN1934

DANAHER Sarah Jane Funeral notice 06MAY1944 Funeral late of Glebe Sydney Morning Herald 06MAY1944

Danaher Sarah J 90 06/05/1944 SEC*M2*18**83

 

[Bootzy]

trying to find your "Betty Hardaker" + various..

SMH Wed 17 Jan 1945 – Silver Weddings – Marriage of Lily May & Sydney S.W Horner
HORNER-STIMSON.-January 17, 1920, at the North Auburn Methodist Church, by Rev. R. O'D. Finigan, Lily May Stimson to Sydney Samuel Walter Horner. Present address: Cambridge, 1 Mary Street, Mascot.

SMH Mon 4 May 1942 – death of Sydney S W Horner’s father
HORNER - May 1, 1942, John Horner, late of Auburn, Meadowbank and Putney, beloved husband of Emma and father of Jack, Louise (Mrs. Skinner), George, Ebb, Sydney, Ernest and Bessie (Mrs Wynne). Privately interred May 2, 1942.

Tree has John Horner b 29 April 1855 Stepney London married 28 July 1877 Camberwell London to Emma Izatt – arrived NSW after 1881 as he shows on 1881 census for Camberwell (possible arrival 16 March 1887 on “Charlotte Croom”- NSW Unassisted Immigrant Passenger List) and son Sydney Samuel Walter b 1887 Granville NSW and a Ernest E Horner b 1892 Granville NSW

SMH Tue 19 Oct 1943 – death/burial of Sydney SW Horner’s Mother.
HORNER.-October 17, 1943, at Burwood, Emma Horner, late of 17 Union Road, Auburn, wldow of John Horner, and loving mother of John, Louise (Mrs. Skinner), George, Ebenezer, Sydney, Ernest, and Bessie (Mrs. Wynne), in her 84th year.

HORNER. - The Relatives and Friends of Mr. and Mrs. J. J. Horner. Mr. and Mrs C. H. Skinner, Mr. and Mrs. G. W. Horner. Mr. and Mrs. E. T. Horner, Rev. and Mrs.S. S. W. Horner. Mr. and Mrs. E. A. Horner, and Mr. and Mrs. J. E. Wynne, and families, are invited to attend the Funeral of their dear Mother, Mother-in-law. and Grandmother. Emma Horner, which will leave the Congregational Church. Queen Street. Auburn, this Afternoon, after Service, commencing at 2 o'clock for the Independent Cemetery, rookwood. Floral tributes direct to Church.Joseph Metcalf. A.F.D.A.. 172 Redfern Street.

SMH Sat 23 Nov 1935 – death of Lily May nee Stimson’s father.
STIMSON.—The Relatives and Friends of the Rev.S. S. WARD, Mrs. HORNER, Miss IVY STIMSON, Mr. SYD STIMSON, Mr. and Mrs. ERIC STIMSON and FAMILY, Mr. and Mrs. ROGER MORGAN, Miss DULCIE STIMSON, Mr. and Mrs.ERIC HALL, Mr. and Mrs. STANLEY STIMSON and FAMILY, also GRANDCHILDREN, JOYCE, ARTHUR, and ALAN, are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of their dearly beloved FATHER and GRANDFATHER, Arthur Stimson; to leave his late residence, 62 Harrow-road, Auburn, THIS (Saturday) AFTERNOON, after service commencing at 2.15 o'clock, for Methodist Cemetery, Rookwood. Sydney friends alight at No. 2 Mortuary. WILLIAM...

Funeral Notice for Sydney SW Horner – SMH Tue 28 Nov 1950 – lots of family mentioned..
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...e=New+South+Wales|||l-category=Family+Notices

HORNER – The Relatives and friends of Mrs May Horner and Betty of 1 Mary Street Mascott are invited to attend the Funeral of their dearly beloved Husband and father Rev Sydney Samuel Walter Horner M.M. late 1st AIF which will leave the Beckenham Memorial Congregational Church Botany road Mascot This Morning after service commencing at 10 o’clock for the Eastern Suburbs Crematorium Floral tributes direct to the Church.

No Betty Hardaker on ERs.

Flying blind here… SMH Sat 26 Jan 1952 has a EM Hardacre v CA Hardacre before Mr Acting Justice Redshaw – Decrees nisi.

regards Val