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Hanover Square. London.

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Hi P.Risboy

Hanover Square is one of the wealthiest areas of London. It is full of aristocrats, MPs, gentlemen, peers, royalties and rich businessman. The Grosvenor Estate and Mayfair are in Hanover Square.

My gggggrandfather worked in Hanover Square for a little while in 1809. He was a servant and lived at Shepherds Court in Upper Brook Street.

The main church is St George Hanover Square and St Mark North Audley Street.

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Hi Benny,

That does explain a lot. My GGG.uncle ended up there as a gardener. How on earth would they know of the positions(jobs) available.
As you may have gathered from my other postings, most of my family lived 60 miles away, in Buckinghamshire.
Most could hardly read and write. And no internet.

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I think many people heard of servants jobs through word of mouth, newspaper ads or even moved there and stayed at lodgings while they looked for a job in the service trade and found their own accomodation.

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I think many people heard of servants jobs through word of mouth, newspaper ads or even moved there and stayed at lodgings while they looked for a job in the service trade and found their own accomodation.

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Hi Benny

Found out that my 'rellies' were servants to the Earl & Countess of Gainsborough(?) at the time of the census.. And judging by 'Honourable' names of others, there seemed plenty of people with money in the hotel at the time.

I think it is called The Royal Victoria Hotel now. When you look at the visitors book, it's like a 'who's who' of the peerage.

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Did you get that info from a census or a certificate? Often people have no trouble finding an ancestors employer.

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Hi Ben, You must remember I am new to this.:confused: :rolleyes:

There was an address on the census, and their names were among 60-70 others, with varying 'trades'. So I 'googled' the address and confirmed the hotel, built c1835.
I did not think to go forward on the census, so went and had another look. And there were all these "knobs", including Earl and Countess.
Re-googled the hotel and looked at their own web site, and history.
All a bit long winded, but I sometimes get there.:)
Another bit of colour to my rellies. It is all so fascinating.

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I believe St. George's Hanover Square has the largest parish responsibility in London, and to my knowledge has associated connections with Pimlico in Middlesex near to Victoria station. Your family records may refer to St. George's but the people referred to may live several miles away. The records of the church have survived and are available at the London Record Office. Good luck !
 

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I believe St. George's Hanover Square has the largest parish responsibility in London, and to my knowledge has associated connections with Pimlico in Middlesex near to Victoria station. Your family records may refer to St. George's but the people referred to may live several miles away. The records of the church have survived and are available at the London Record Office. Good luck !
Hi Robert,
Thanks for that. It just surprised me on the census for the amount of people at one address, and not being a poor house or institution.
I knew there were plans afoot to build housing for poorer folk at the time.
I didn't think it would turn out to be a Hotel.

Steve.:)
 

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In Victorian times and before, people commuted remarkable distances to work, either by train, horse and cart or on foot. It wouldnt suprise me if a man got up at 5am, and got a carriage for a circa 2 hour journey 15 or 20 miles to work. Servants, and other people in transport occupations did travel a lot.

You could get a man from say Maidstone in the 1860s courting with a girl from Brighton, around 40 miles away.

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In Victorian times and before, people commuted remarkable distances to work, either by train, horse and cart or on foot. It wouldnt suprise me if a man got up at 5am, and got a carriage for a circa 2 hour journey 15 or 20 miles to work. Servants, and other people in transport occupations did travel a lot.

You could get a man from say Maidstone in the 1860s courting with a girl from Brighton, around 40 miles away.

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Now that's LOVE:kissu: :)

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Yes I have had couples who lived a few miles, up to 15 or 20 miles apart before they married. Often the spouse was pregnant whe they maried the groom so if you travelled 15 miles to do your courting, you werent going to leave with nothing.

Hanover Square was often used as a city residence parish for wealthy people alongside their country estates. That can explain why some of theirs and their employees children were born in the countryside and some in London.

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I found more people, though not related, having moved to Hanover Sqr. around the same time who were 'neighbours' of my rellies.
Might have been working for an 'absent landlord', so now the search is on to find who that may have been. I might find some more answers to my traveling relations.

Steve.:)
 

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I think many servants to rich people just stayed in Hanover Square while their bosses stayed there. Some lived there all the time and others alternated between the 5 storey London townhouse and their sprawling country estate.

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Whist looking for a Gt.Aunts family in the 1851 census, I came across an entry for a Sir Francis Bernard Morland 5th Baronet, at his country lodge. This was a few 'doors' down from my rellie.
So I 'googled' him, and low and behold he was baptised at St.Georges, Hanover Sqr. London.
So now he obviously has a home in London, which explains why some of the locals at his country residence, ended up in London on various census.

So it would be worthwhile if your rellies had a 'Lord of the manor' living fairly close, he could provide a clue as to some of your lost rellies whereabouts.

So I found this:- http://thepeerage.com/index.htm

If you have a 'Lord of the Manor' in your rellies neighbourhood, he is more than likely listed here.

And so the search carries on.

Steve.:)
 

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Researching lords or the manors, and other pillars of the community can be invaluable and help you determine how ancestors met, who the local midwife was, and even help you find ancestors. Tracing the bosses of ancestors if known is very important.

Ben
 
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