Harriett PACKER in Gloucester

[DaveHam9]

1871
RG10 Piece 2559 Folio 89 Page 18
Civil Parish: St Philip and St Jacob
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County: Gloucestershire
Registration District: Clifton
Sub-RD: St Philip
ED: 15
Address:
Charles Packer Head 65 [Image 45] Butcher Bristol
Harriet Packer Wife 40
Wales Packer son 20 Butcher [Image Charles]
Henry Packer son 19
John Packer son 18
Emily Packer dau 14
Alice Packer dau 12
Alfred G Packer son 6
Thomas Edward Packer son 2
Elizabeth Fraps servant 30
[All b. Bristol]

I can't even find the 1871 one in FS as PACKER.

1881
RG11 Piece 2497 Folio 122 Page 3
Civil parish: Sts Philip And Jacob (Out)
Registration District: Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
Address: 4 Clarence Rd
Head Charles Packer M 55 Butcher Bristol, Gloucestershire
Wife Harriett Packer F 50 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Son John Packer M 28 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Son Alfred G Packer M 16 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Son Thomas E Packer M 11 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Servant Careoline Morris F 33 Bristol, Gloucestershire

Looking for the remains of the family in 1891.

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Deaths Sep Qtr 1912
PACKER Harriett 80 Cheltenham 6a 423


EDIT: That death appears to be that of a different Harriet, one born Painswick.

 

[DaveHam9]

This fits for age and Sts Philip and Jacob (Out)

Deaths Mar Qtr 1895
Packer Charles Tate 69 Barton R. 6a 116

So there is a Charles in 1891 but is it the one I'm chasing?

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Civil parish St Philip and St Jacob
RD Barton Regis
Sub RD St. Philip

10, Stapleton Road

Charles Packer age 62 occ cattle dealer born Bristol
Harriet wife age 58 born Bristol
Charles son age 40 occ butcher born Bristol
John son age 37 occ butcher born Bristol
Thomas son age 22 occ butcher born Bristol

Class RG12
Piece 1982
Folio 4
Page 4

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Julie,

Thank you very much.

That is the family for sure - Charles and sons have swapped occupations.

But very interesting Thomas is still there as it seems that he married in NSW in 1891:

6515/1891 PACKER EDLEY G - WILLIAMS EMILY - PARRAMATTA

1912 birth cert. has father as Hedley Thomas PACKER, 40 b. Glouc., England.

Deaths in Sydney:
3707/1937 PACKER THOMAS HEADLEY 67 YRS NEWTOWN NEWTOWN
3760/1947 PACKER EMILY MAY (WILLIAMS) 72 YRS - NEWTOWN

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm really worried now that branch of my tree is all wrong. It would mean Thomas/Hedley had to leave England very soon after the 1891 census.

I see it has PARKER

Seems ok:

Births Jun 1870
Parker Thomas Clifton 6a 138

Name: Thomas Parker
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:
Age: 32
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Bristol, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hunslet
Sub-District: Hunslet
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary
Civil Parish: Hunslet
District/Parish/County: Yorkshire (West Riding)

 

[DaveHam9]

Can rule this one out:

Name: Thomas Packer
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Newent, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Burnley
Sub-District: West Ward
Ecclesiastical Parish: Gannow St John The Baptist
Civil Parish: Burnley
District/Parish/County: Lancashire

Births Jun 1869
Packer Thomas Newent 6a 235

 

[DaveHam9]

So it depends now on finding a shipping record for 1891 after 5 April.

I can't find the marriage in newspaper so don't know what month. Guessing from the Reg number I'd say the marriage was in September.

 

[juliejtp]

I'm really worried now that branch of my tree is all wrong. It would mean Thomas/Hedley had to leave England very soon after the 1891 census.

I see it has PARKER

Seems ok:

Births Jun 1870
Parker Thomas Clifton 6a 138

Name: Thomas Parker
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:

Age: 32
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Bristol, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hunslet
Sub-District: Hunslet
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary
Civil Parish: Hunslet
District/Parish/County: Yorkshire (West Riding)

Hi Dave,

His name has been put as Parker. His occupation first word not clear ----driver brickworks. He is married to Jane.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

I think that one can be ruled out.

I can't find an arrival in Qld. or NSW Assisted or Victoria Unassisted.

So, unassisted to NSW probably but can't be sure if he is using Thomas or Edley or Hedley.

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Jun Qtr 1869
Packer Thomas Edward Clifton 6a 131


Marriages Mar Qtr 1895
Carter Frederick Charles Bristol 6a 25
Packer Thomas Edward Bristol 6a 25
Pinniger William John Bristol 6a 25
Pow Rosina Bristol 6a 25
Turner Arabella Ellen Bristol 6a 25

One missing.

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: Thomas Edward Packer
Birth Date: 1869
Birthplace:
Age: 26
Spouse's Name: Arabella Ellen Turner
Spouse's Birth Date: 1869
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 26
Event Date: 1895
Event Place: St. Marys Redcliffe, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's Name: Charles Packer
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: George Turner
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17254-5

 

[DaveHam9]

Summary of NSW Records - details true or not ???

NSW Birth 36532/1912 PACKER EVELYN E - HEDLEY T - EMILY - WATERLOO

Evelyn's birth cert. has her father as Hedley Thomas, 40 b. Glouc., England.
Mother = Emily WILLIAMS

NSW Marriage 6515/1891 PACKER EDLEY G - WILLIAMS EMILY - PARRAMATTA

Deaths
3707/1937 PACKER THOMAS HEADLEY 67 YRS NEWTOWN NEWTOWN
3760/1947 PACKER EMILY MAY (WILLIAMS) 72 YRS - NEWTOWN

 

[DaveHam9]

Children
25637/1895 PACKER ELLENA THOMAS E EMILY PARRAMATTA
29018/1897 PACKER CHARLES E EDLEY T EMILY ASHFIELD
23168/1901 PACKER PERCY H THOMAS H EMILY LEICHHARDT
26100/1904 PACKER ANNIE G THOMAS E EMILY REDFERN
26100/1904 PACKER FRANCES G THOMAS E EMILY REDFERN
38158/1907 PACKER ALBERT E THOMAS EMILY NEWTOWN
18919/1911 PACKER THELMA M HEDLEY T EMILY M NEWTOWN
36532/1912 PACKER EVELYN E HEDLEY T EMILY REDFERN


Using age 40 in 1912 and age at death I've searched Gloucestershire 1868 - 1873 for PACKER and PARKER for combinations of Hedley/Edley and Thomas and no hits.

 

[juliejtp]

Name: Thomas Edward Packer
Birth Date: 1869
Birthplace:
Age: 26
Spouse's Name: Arabella Ellen Turner
Spouse's Birth Date: 1869
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 26
Event Date: 1895
Event Place: St. Marys Redcliffe, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's Name: Charles Packer
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: George Turner
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17254-5

Hi Dave,

This maybe the death registration for Thomas Edward Packer

1907 - Jan/Feb/Mar - Bristol

Thomas Edward Packer
Born about 1869

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Christening - St. Philip and St. Jacob, Bristol, Gloucester, England

Birth date 14 Apr 1869
Christened 9 May 1869

Thomas Edward Packer

Father Charles Packer
Mother Harriet

 

[juliejtp]

Name: Thomas Edward Packer
Birth Date: 1869
Birthplace:
Age: 26
Spouse's Name: Arabella Ellen Turner
Spouse's Birth Date: 1869
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 26
Event Date: 1895
Event Place: St. Marys Redcliffe, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's Name: Charles Packer
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: George Turner
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17254-5

Hi Dave,

Arabella Ellen Packer is classed as a widow in 1911.

1901

Civil parish Bristol
RD Bristol
Sub Rd St. George

3 Tudor Road

Thomas Packer head age 31 occ (could be butcher) born Bristol
Arabella wife age 32
Percy son age 3

Class RG13
Piece 2389
Folio 82
Page 15

 

[juliejtp]

1871
RG10 Piece 2559 Folio 89 Page 18
Civil Parish: St Philip and St Jacob
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County: Gloucestershire
Registration District: Clifton
Sub-RD: St Philip
ED: 15
Address:
Charles Packer Head 65 [Image 45] Butcher Bristol
Harriet Packer Wife 40
Wales Packer son 20 Butcher [Image Charles]
Henry Packer son 19
John Packer son 18
Emily Packer dau 14
Alice Packer dau 12
Alfred G Packer son 6
Thomas Edward Packer son 2
Elizabeth Fraps servant 30
[All b. Bristol]

I can't even find the 1871 one in FS as PACKER.

1881
RG11 Piece 2497 Folio 122 Page 3
Civil parish: Sts Philip And Jacob (Out)
Registration District: Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
Address: 4 Clarence Rd
Head Charles Packer M 55 Butcher Bristol, Gloucestershire
Wife Harriett Packer F 50 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Son John Packer M 28 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Son Alfred G Packer M 16 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Son Thomas E Packer M 11 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Servant Careoline Morris F 33 Bristol, Gloucestershire

Looking for the remains of the family in 1891.

-------
Deaths Sep Qtr 1912
PACKER Harriett 80 Cheltenham 6a 423


EDIT: That death appears to be that of a different Harriet, one born Painswick.

Hi Dave,

Probably Harriet's death registration.

1904 - Oct/Nov/Dec - Bristol

Harriet Packer
Born about 1833
Age 71

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Probate

Charles Packer - Butcher and cattle dealer
10 Stapleton Rd Bristol
Died 26 Feb 1895
Probate Bristol 27 Mar - to Harriet Packer wife - effects £30.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

That family is clear cut now. They stayed and died in England.

Dave