HAVINDEN family

[DaveHam9]

George Smith Havinden
Age: 28
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Roberts
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 14 Nov 1858
Event Place: St. Peter's, Stepney, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: John Havinden
Spouse's Father's Name: James Roberts
Batch: M019688

Mary Anne Havinden b. 9 Sep 1859
Christening Date: 13 Nov 1859 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
George Smith Havinden & Mary Anne
Batch: C025541

Name: George Richard Essex
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Havinden
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 May 1879
Parish: Mile End Old Town St Peter
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard George Essex
Register Type: Parish Register


I'd like a look up please the the three of them in 1861 and 1871.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi Dave, 1861 butchers shop 1 Plough Place Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets,
30 yrs employing 1 man, bn Surrey, rest of the page on right hand side is lost.
Mary Ann 23 Mary Ann 1 yr George Smith 2 months.
15 yr old general servant.
OzN

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ozn.

This is a curious one.

George is back with his parents and listed as unmarried.

1891
RG12 Piece 176 Folio 77 Page 4
Civil Parish: Islington
County: London
Registration District: Islington
Sub-RD: Highbury
Address:
Richard G Essex Head Mar 67 Printer & Publisher London
Mary J Essex Wife Mar 67 London
George R Essex son Unm 37 Printer - Compositor St Luke's, London
Elizabeth A Essex dau Unm 31 Living at home Islington
Alice E Essex dau Unm 27 Living at home Islington
Elizabeth M Middleton 11 Living at grandfather's Holoway

George Richard Essex
Age: 38
Spouse Name: Eliza Seabourne
Spouse Age: 34
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Sep 1892
Parish: Tottenham St Ann
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Richard George Essex
Spouse Father: Thomas Seabourne
Register Type: Parish Register


Only explanation is a divorce. How would I find it or ref to it?

Dave

 

[stockpot]

George says he is a bachelor at his marriage in 1892. My guess is that soon after 1881 (when he and Mary Ann were still together, indexed as Ossex) they decided to split and forget the marriage without any formal divorce which was very difficult and expensive to obtain at that time.

In 1891 there are several Mary Ann XX born Bethnel Green 1859, if you checked all these to identify their marriage I think one of them will have not married formally but will just have taken her "husband's" name and will actually be Mary Ann Havinden/Essex.

Ancestry claims to cover both Marriage and Divorce but I can't find any record set that refers to divorce.

Elaine

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Elaine.

If there is no record of a divorce then I guess you are right about what they did.

I have the 1881.

I've had no luck so far tracing Mary Ann.

I'm off in about 1 hour for a 9-day break. Taking a trip to far south coast of NSW.

Dave

 

[horse]

Ancestry claims to cover both Marriage and Divorce but I can't find any record set that refers to divorce.

Hi Elaine

This is Anc's Divorce set..

"England & Wales, Civil Divorce Records, 1858-1911"

I can't see the divorce included.

Geoff

 

[oznannie]

1871 census George Havinden butcher 40 bn Bermondsey, Mary A 33 bn London, Mary A 11 George jr 10, Louisa 8, Wm 6 all bn Bethnal Green, Minnie 3, Arthur 3 months bn Stepney.
Ozn

 

[oznannie]

Do we know if any Essex kiddies were born after 1881 census? There are a ton of them in Free BMD, also in 1891 too many Mary A's bn Bethnal Green to pick her.
Ozn

 

[DaveHam9]

Do we know if any Essex kiddies were born after 1881 census? There are a ton of them in Free BMD, also in 1891 too many Mary A's bn Bethnal Green to pick her.
Ozn

I can't answer that one Ozn. I don't have any children for George R. & Mary Ann in my tree. These two from second marriage:

1901
RG13 Piece 1256 Folio 52 Page 14
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Edmonton
Sub-RD:Tottenham
ED: 65
Household schedule number: 93
Address:
George R Essex Head 47 Printer - Compositor St Luke, London
Eliza Essex Wife 43 Great Oakley, Essex
Richard G S Essex son 7
William T Essex son 6


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I just picked up one bit I had not noticed before.

1891
RG12 Piece 176 Folio 77 Page 4
Civil Parish: Islington
County: London
Registration District: Islington
Sub-RD: Highbury
Address:
Richard G Essex Head Mar 67 Printer & Publisher London
Mary J Essex Wife Mar 67 London
George R Essex son Unm 37 Printer - Compositor St Luke's London
Elizabeth A Essex dau Unm 31 Living at home Islington
Alice E Essex dau Unm 27 Living at home Islington
Elizabeth M Middleton 11 Living at grandfather's Holoway

Richard G. married Mary Jane BECKETT.

I don't have Mary Jane's mother's maiden name.

 

[DaveHam9]

Mary Jane Beckett b. 24 Sep 1825
Christening Date: 27 Nov 1825 St. Botolph Without Aldersgate, London
Henry Beckett & Elizabeth
Batch: C022383


I can't find the marriage of Henry to Elizabeth.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Mar Qtr 1879
ESSEX Mary Ann W Islington 1b 377
MIDDLETON Charles Islington 1b 377

1881
RG11 Piece 294 Folio 13 Page 20
Address: 101 Southgate Rd
Event Place:Hackney, Middlesex, England
Charles Middleton Head M 25 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Mary A W Middleton Wife F 25 St Lukes, Middlesex, England
Elizth M Middleton Daughter F 1 Islington, Middlesex, England

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: Elizabeth Mary Middleton
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1880
Registration District: Islington
County: London
Event Place: Islington, London, England
Volume: 1B
Page: 391
Line Number: 55

 

[DaveHam9]

Ann Beckett
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1822
Father: Henry Beckett
Mother: Elizabeth Beckett
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father a Currier residing at Shaftesbury Place

Henry Beckett b. 6 Feb 1825
christening: 27 Nov 1825 St. Botolph Without Aldersgate, London

Robert Beckett b. 15 March 1833
christening: 7 July 1833 St. Botolph Without Aldersgate, London
Henry a Currier, 28 Shaftesbury Place


Mary Jane is not with family in 1841.

1841
HO107 Piece 724 Book/Folio 8/22 Page 39
Civil Parish: St Botolph Aldersgate
Hundred: London Without the Walls
County: Middlesex
Registration District: East London
Sub-RD: Cripplegate
ED: 12
Address:
Henry Beckett 45 Currier bic
Henry Beckett 15 bic
Elizabeth Beckett 40 Not bic
Ann Beckett 15 Dressmaker bic
Robert Beckett 8 bic
Thomas Beckett 40 Plumber Not bic


Still can't find Elizabeth's maiden name.

 

[stockpot]

edit, sorry got a bit mixed up here

 

[stockpot]

In1841 Henry Beckett aged 45 is clearly not born this county, same as his wife and presumably his brother Thomas.

When Ann Beckett was baptised in 1822 the next entry was for her sister Elizabeth who it states was born 13 March 1820.

Another child Thomas Barton Beckett was baptised at St Giles without Cripplegate, 25 Dec 1828 (born 14 July), s.o. Elizabeth and Henry, a currier of Radnor St.

There was a marriage of a Henry Beckett and Elizabeth Barton 4 Nov 1818 in Kettering Northants.

There is no trace of this couple in Kettering in 1841 (when your H&E are in London) but in 1851 (when your H&E are not in London) there is in Kettering, Pc1739, F374, P5 :-
Henry Beckett, 55, currier, b City of Durham
Elizabeth, 53, b Kettering Northants.

This couple still in Kettering in 1861 but in 1871 are in London, 19 Morton St Islington Pc 289, F14, Pg22
Henry Beckett, 76, currier, b Durham Sunderland
Elizabeth, 74, b Kettering Northants
Elizabeth Robinson, 25, lodger, Telegraph clerk, b Australia

Elizabeth Beckett d. Islington Q1 1873, aged 76
Henry Beckett d. Islington Q1 1875 aged 79

I think there is a good chance this is the right couple and Elizabeth's maiden name is Barton.

Elaine

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Elaine.

Thank you very much.

One interesting bit. Here are the parents of Richard G., and therefore the grandparents of George R.

1851
HO107 Piece 1525 Folio 565 Page 3
Civil Parish: Liberty of Glasshouse Yard
County: Middlesex
Registration District: East London
Sub-RD: Cripplegate
ED: 2e
Household schedule number: 14
Address:
William Essex Head 58 Parish clerk Rothwell Northants
Eleanor Essex Wife 58 Holborn
Edward Essex son 18 Something apprentice London
Thomas H Maynard boarder 18
William J Maynard boarder 17
Maria Mayell servant 13


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

County Northamptonshire
Place Kettering
Church Great Meeting Independent Chapel
RegisterNumber 371
DateOfBirth 14 Feb 1797
BaptismDate 25 Apr 1797
Forename Elizabeth
*** F
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname BARTON
MotherSurname
Abode Kettering
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 32723


Possible for brother ? Thomas

Thomas Beckett
Christening Date: 05 Sep 1798
Christening Place: SAINT NICHOLAS DURHAM, DURHAM
Birth Date: 03 Sep 1798
Father's Name: Thomas Beckett
Mother's Name: Mary Dobinson

 

[DaveHam9]

Census points to abt 1796.


County Durham
Place Durham
Church St Oswald
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 06 Oct 1800
BaptismDate 25 Dec 1800
Forename Henry
*** M
FatherForename Thomas
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname BECKETT
MotherSurname DOBBINSON
Abode
FatherOccupation Late a Private in Princess of Wales Light Dragoons
Notes 5th Child.Father of St Nicholas Parish.Mother of Witton le Wear
FileNumber 300

County Durham
Place Durham
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 20 Jun 1803
BaptismDate 24 Jul 1803
Forename Elizabeth
*** F
FatherForename Thomas
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname BECKETT
MotherSurname DOBINSON
Abode
FatherOccupation Ironmonger
Notes 7th child, father of Durham, mother of Witton-le-Wear
FileNumber 29614