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Hayes of Breandrum, Kildallan, Cavan

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Does anyone have any information on Jeremiah Hayes (1806-1882), a farmer, his wife Esther Hayes nee Darling, and children Francis Thomas Hayes, Susannah Edith Hayes and Jane Hayes. I am aware that Jane was born in Breandrum, Kildallan, Cavan in 1847.

I would be grateful if anyone had any leads on this family.

Thanks, Drew Hayes - Melbourne, Australia
 

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When I first saw the name jeremiah Hayes I thought you must be referring to someone from Cork, or at least the province of Munster (it is such a Munster name!), so I was surprised to see that his daughter Jane was born in Cavan. It might be worth bearing that in mind if you research further back in time.

Anyway.... A Jeremiah Hayes appears in Griffiths Valuation in Breandrum, Cavan, so you can pinpoint exactly where this family lived in about 1856 (when the Valuation survey was carried out).

There is also a civil registration death record for a Jeremiah Hayes whose dates seem close to those you have: 1806-1882. It was recorded in the Registration District of Bawnboy, which covers Breandrum. You can get the full reference number of that entry from the LDS pilot site and order a copy of the certificate for just 4 Euros including postage.

As to Esther Darling, she may have been a Cavan girl. There are certainly quite a few civil registration entries for Darlings in the Bawnboy district that may be worth investigating, especially because some of them are relatively recent.

For parish records for Kildallan, you may be unlucky. The Catholic registers for this parish date back only to 1867. I'm not 100% about Church of Ireland registers for that area but if it was within Castleterra parish, you would be lucky as they date back to 1828. Be sure to double check this.

Hope this helps

Siobhan
 

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Hello Siobhan,

I have tried dozens of different combinations and I can't get the LDS Pilot site to load. All I get is an empty white page. I've tried IE6, IE 7, IE8, Firefox, two different versions of Java, several different versions of Flash, including the latest versions of all of them. I can't find what I'm looking for on the IFHF site.

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Siobhan,

Thanks for the information. How do I order the Certificate for Jeremiah Hayes ? Do I do this through the GRO ?

Do you think it may be possible that Jeremiah was born in Cork ?

Regards, Drew Hayes
 

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Hi Drew

Before I get on to your certificate question, can I just tell you that I took another look at Griffiths Valuation. There are two entries for a Jeremiah Hayes in Cavan. This doesn't necessarily mean there are two men of the same name. The two entries are for adjoining townlands and the same landlord. I'd guess just one Jeremiah farmed land that happened to straddled the townland border.

This is relevant in view of info below.

To order certificates from GRO in Roscommon go to www.groireland.ie and download the relevant birth, marriage or death certificate application form. You have to print off the form as there is currently no online ordering facility.

When you fill in the form, don't worry about too many of the questions. So long as you quote the reference number you don't need to provide any more info. So, on the death certificate application form, just quote this: Jeremiah Hayes, Q1 1882 Bawnboy 3/29. Further down the page, tick the box for photocopy. Add your credit card and adddress details. Nothing else is needed.

When I went back into the LDS pilot site to find that reference for you, I found another entry that could be very interesting for you. It is also for a Jeremiah Hayes - the only other jeremiah hayes registration entry for Cavan on the LDS site, in fact. It is a marriage record dated 1857, in Cavan Registration District. This date is before civil registration of marriages started for Catholics so this marriage would have been held at the Cavan Town register office or in a Church of Ireland within the Cavan registration district.

If your family were Catholic, don't automatically assume this isn't your ancestor. Due to the penal laws, which continued even in 1857, Catholics would sometimes marry in a Church of Ireland or Register Office because that was the only way to have your marriage legally sanctioned. (Marriage in a Catholic church was valid but officially illegal. This was an important distinction when it came to inheritance.) It is also possible that this 1857 wedding was a mixed-religion marriage (and even possible that two ceremonies took place, one in each church...in which case only the non-Catholic ceremony would be accepted for civil registration purposes).

If I were in your shoes, I'd find it impossible to resist getting sight of this 1857 marriage certificate. Given that there appears to be only one Jeremiah Hayes household in the county of Cavan in the late 1850s (according to Griffiths), this could well be interesting info on the certificate. Perhaps Esther had died. Either way, the name of jeremiah's father will be on the certificate and that could be a useful nugget.

If you decide to order the certificate, download and print the marriage certificate application form, and write in "Groom Jeremiah Hayes 1857 Cavan 3/513" and send it off with the death certificate application.

Did Jeremiah come from Cork? It's impossible to say. He might have done. Or his father might have done. On the probability of numbers, it's quite likely one or other did so. But there are always exceptions....

All the best

Siobhan
 

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Hello Siobhan,

Thanks, yes, I tried that link before too. I don't understand what is going on. I have the latest updates for XP and the latest version of Java and it is enabled. I've tried IE with internet and safe zone and even with the lowest security settings and the default security settings. With Firefox also I just get an empty white screen and if I right click on the window I see Flash is installed - version 10,0,32,18, so I have what is required for the site to load. :rolleyes:

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Siobhan,

You are an absolute treasure. I have sent for the Death Certificate. I did see the marriage entry and thought that it could not be right. But if he did marry again, that would explain things. So I will send for that too.

Regards, Drew
 

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