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NSW Death 28760/1943 WOODRUFF HELEN - CHARLES ROBERT - ANNE - MOSMAN * 7 Nov * no age at death.

Her father:
Deaths Dec Qtr 1860 THATCHER Charles Robert [58] Brighton 2b 147
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 123 * ruled out

GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in BASINGSTOKE Volume 02C Page 161 * ruled out
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Something is not right.

Mother may not be Anne.

Error with initial E.

All the records in Australia have her name as Helen.

Marriage in Vic.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - Sat 3 Jan 1885 p.1
WOODRUFF - THATCHER.-On the 23rd ult., by special licence, at Christ Church, South Yarra, by the Rev. Horace F. Tucker, William John Mackay, only son of the late John Woodruff, H. M. Customs, Melbourne, to Helen, eldest daughter of the late Charles E. Thatcher, of Brighton, England.
Thanks emeltee.

A rather late marriage then for Helen. It says eldest daughter.
Back to this one and still chasing Helen.

I don't see how she could have been born in NZ and be the eldest daughter. There is no birth in the NZ index for any Thatcher that would fit.

Arrival not found. Age at death not found.

In the 1841 census Sophia is the eldest daughter.

Should the marriage notice say eldest surviving daughter or youngest daughter ??
57 Kings Road, Brighton, Sussex
Sophia Matilda Thatcher Widow 50 Curiosity Dealer London
Sophia Matilda Thatcher dau 32 Brighton
Emma Thatcher dau 37 Brighton
George Thatcher son 22 Brighton
Amelia Thatcher dau 18 Brighton

Sophia appears to be the eldest daughter in 1851/61/71 and 81 Censuses. She was born 1 March 1829 and was registered nonconformist 6 January 1837 along with siblings Charles Robert (born 21 August 1830), James Herbert (born 26 May 1832), Annie Elizabeth (16 January 1834) and Manning (19 August 1835). No baptisms/registrations for other siblings who appear on the 1851 Census
Amelia Jun 1842 Brighthelmston 7 260 mmn Horsey
Catherine Damaris Mar 1845 Brighthelmston 7 279 Horsey
Tracey Dec 1847 Brightelmson 7 290 Horsey

Also Richmond Thatcher Mar 1841 Brighthelmston 7 262 Horsey
Richmond is a pupil at a private school in Lewes in 1851 then he disappears but no death found.

Annie Elizabeth dies Jun 1838 Brighhelmston 7 197 aged 4

No sign of a Helen/Ellen anywhere. Do the records give an age/dob for her?
Thanks emeltee.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tue 9 Nov 1943 p.8
WOODRUFF.-November 7, 1943, at her daughter's residence, Mosman, Helen Woodruff.
Privately interred.

No age in death notice. Burial not found not that all have age at death. Will and probate just have date of death.

If we don't have the right Charles Robert then we need another one in Brighton married to an Anne ??

Charles Robert (born 21 August 1830) that's her father. One tree had Helen born in NZ but no date and no birth found.

Vic. Marriage 1861
THATCHER Charles Robert
The only Charles R Thatcher I can find in 1851 born Brighton, Sussex has the wrong age

30 Brewer Street, St Mary's, Greenwich
Charles R Thatcher 30 bankers Clerk born Brighton.

No birth/baptism c1821 found which fits, and not found in 1841 aged c20.
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71 Russell Square, Brighton
Sophia M Thatcher Widow 70 London
Sophia M Thatcher dau 42 Unmarr. Brighton
Catherine D Thatcher dau 26 Unmarr. Brighton
Annie M Thatcher g/dau Brighton
Charlotte Thatcher g/dau 5 New Cross, Surrey

28 Russell Square, Brighton
S M Thatcher Widow 80 London
S M Thatcher dau 52 Brighton
E Thatcher dau 44 Brighton
A Thatcher dau 38 Brighton
C D Thatcher dau 36 Brighton
A M Thatcher g/dau Brighton
C M Thatcher g/dau 15 New Cross, Surrey
Lilly Thatcher g/dau 7 Preston, Sussex
RG11 1092/F117/p32
William – 1913
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111195623?searchTerm=william john mackay woodruff
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72345192?searchTerm=william john mackay woodruff
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/137032461?searchTerm=william john mackay woodruff

Helen - 7 Nov 1943
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225095711?searchTerm=helen woodruff
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17876564?searchTerm=helen woodruff
Headstone has age 83 died 7 Nov 1943 buried Macquarie Park – Anglican

her father arrived age 22 from London 26 Nov 1852 Port Phillip Bay on “Isabella”
married 1861 Vic to Annie Vitelli – reg 152 (her 2nd marriage)

Ann Day b May 1837 shoreditch – Francis john Day (1804-1885) & Margaret Tilley (1808-1892)
on 1851 – parish Stamford Hill, Middlesex, reg Hackney, sub Stoke Newington, ED 4, h/h 204, piece 1503, folio 300, page 54

Francis John Day married 9 May 1830 St Michael Paternoster London Margaret Tilley – FHL 374506, 566144
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/6077537?searchTerm=francis john day

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197003412?searchTerm=margaret day

a tree has their arrival Sept 1854 on “Oliver Lang”

Ann’s 1st marriage 4 May 1855 Vic to Giovanni Whittle Vitelli – reg 2183
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4812312?searchTerm=vitelli - day
he died 20 May 1859 age 34
she knew Charles Robert Thatcher long before their marriage in 1861 Vic – reg 152 – both musical
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/109904991?searchTerm=thatcher - vitelli
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/109905024?searchTerm=thatcher - vitelli