Helen THOM nee ARMSTRONG

[DaveHam9]

1851
Piece: SCT1851/646 Place: Govan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Govan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Fireworks
Folio: 626 Page: 13 Schedule: 44
Address: Fireworks, Garden Square
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ARMSTRONG George Head Mar M 49 Coalminer Lanarkshire - Glasgow ?
ARMSTRONG Margaret Wife Mar F 47 Lanarkshire - Shotts
ARMSTRONG Mary Dau U F 21 Dyer Lanarkshire - Glasgow
ARMSTRONG William Son U M 18 Coalminer Lanarkshire - Glasgow
ARMSTRONG Alexander Son U M 15 Coalminer Lanarkshire - Glasgow
Page: 14
ARMSTRONG Helen Dau - F 9 Scholar Renfrewshire - Govan ?

1861
County: Lanark
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58 General Milliner Shotts
Janet McLuckie mother 88 Larbert, Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong dau 19 Cathead, Renfrewshire [Cathcart]
Janet McLuckie niece 18 Govan
Christina McLuckie niece 16 Govan


Death 1908 THOM Helen (ARMSTRONG) Pollokshields, Lanark b. 1841 +/-2


Looking for Helen in 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 thanks.

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Helen Armstrong
Gender Female
Christening Date 03 Oct 1841
Christening Place CATHCART,RENFREW,SCOTLAND
Birth Date 18 Jul 1841
Father's Name George Armstrong
Mother's Name Margaret Mcluckie


Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

That's the one Ellie. Another born 1831 died young.

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

James Thom
Spouse's Name Helen Armstrong
Event Date 31 Dec 1861
Event Place Tradeston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland


Not finding a Census

3 Private trees on Ancestry

Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

William Thom b. 24 May 1865 Govan, Lanark
James Thom & Helen Armstrong
Batch: C116461

1891
Reg No: 644/14
Registration District: Kinning Park
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
ED: 59
Roll: CSSCT1891_299 Page 4
Address: 104 Henderson Street
William Thom Head 25 Contractor's carter Govanhill
Edith Thom Wife 26 Sweden, British subject
Helen Thom sister 20 Wire winder Glasgow
Helen Walker m-i-l ? 49 Crosshill, Renfrewshire
Isabella Walker s-i-l ? 8 Johnstone, Renfrewshire

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Margaret Thom
Gender Female
Birth Date 22 Dec 1862
Birthplace GOVAN,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Thom
Mother's Name Helen Armstrong


Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

1881

Name:
James Thom

Age:
41

Estimated birth year:
abt 1840

Relationship:
Head

Spouse's name :
Jane Thom

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Registration Number:
646/1

Registration district:
Govan Church

Civil Parish:
Govan Church

County:
Lanarkshire

Address:
802 Govan Rd.

Occupation:
Ship Carpenter

ED:
24

Household schedule number:
40

LINE:
17

Roll:
cssct1881_255

Household Members:


Name

Age


James Thom 41
Jane Thom 40
William Thom 15 -c1866 Govan
Ellen Bowie 40 -c1841 Cousin

A maybe if Helen died
Same couple in 1871

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

Then there should be another death and have to explain 1908 death.

I can't find an earlier death.

James Thom
Birth Date 25 Jul 1867
Birthplace NEW KILPATRICK,DUNBARTON
Father's Name James Thom
Mother's Name Helen Armstrong

Helen Thom
Birth Date 10 Dec 1870
Birthplace TRADESTON,GLASGOW,LANARK
Father's Name James Thom
Mother's Name Helen Armstrong

Perhaps James is not the 2nd son and perhaps Helen is not the 2nd daughter. Margaret's father is George.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

12x James THOM marriages in SP from 1855 - 1881 to a Jane.

217x Jane THOM deaths in SP from 1881 - 1920.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage James Thom & Jane ... 1871 Angus.

I don't know where I am with this one.

 

[DaveHam9]

Three children possibly:

Name Ellen Thom
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Gender Female
Age 0
Birthplace Lanarkshire
Registration District Tradeston
County Lanarkshire

Name James Thom
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Gender Male
Age 3
Birthplace Dumbartonshire
Registration District Tradeston
County Lanarkshire

Name Margaret Thom
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Gender Female
Age 8
Birthplace Lanarkshire
Registration District Tradeston
County Lanarkshire

 

[DaveHam9]

A new spouse for James but no marriage or a name change for Helen or an error in the census with her name?

Who else would the 1908 death fit?

 

[Ellie7]

Cathcart is in Renfrewshire.
Only 1 marriage coming up on IGI and that is the one in Tradestone


Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

1881

Name:
Helen Walker
Age:
38
Estimated birth year:
abt 1843
Relationship:
Wife
Spouse's name :
Robert Walker
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Govan, Renfrewshire
Registration Number:
644/12
Registration district:
Gorbals
Civil Parish:
Glasgow Gorbals
County:
Lanarkshire
Address:
10 Cavendish St
ED:
25
Household schedule number:
90
LINE:
2
Roll:
cssct1881_246
Household Members:
Name
Age
Robert Walker 31 -c1850 Kilbrachan-Carter
Helen Walker 38
William T Walker 15 -c1866 Govan-Labourer In Iron Work
Helen T Walker 10 -1871 Govan
Alexander Walker 10 Mo -c1880 Glasgow

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

1901

Name:
Helen Walker
Age:
59
Estimated birth year:
abt 1842
Relationship:
Mother In Law
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number:
644/14A
Registration district:
Kinning Park Landward
Civil Parish:
Glasgow Govan
County:
Address:
113 Henderson St
ED:
13
Household schedule number:
73
LINE:
7
Roll:
CSSCT1901_322
Household Members:
Name
Age
Samuel Rafferty 30 -c1871Stranraer, wigtonshire-Wire Weaver'
Helen Rafferty 30
Margaret Rafferty 9 -c1892 Govan
Helen Rafferty 4 -c1897 Govan
Agnes Rafferty 2 -c1899 Govan
James Rafferty 1 -c1900 Govan
Helen Walker 59

Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Ellie,

Thank you very much.

That is the right death. I'll do some more searching. I have queries re two of Helen's siblings.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1891
Reg No: 644/14
Registration District: Kinning Park
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
ED: 59
Roll: CSSCT1891_299 Page 4
Address: 104 Henderson Street
William Thom Head 25 Contractor's carter Govanhill
Edith Thom Wife 26 Sweden, British subject
Helen Thom sister 20 Wire winder Glasgow
Helen Walker m-i-l ? 49 Crosshill, Renfrewshire
Isabella Walker s-i-l ? 8 Johnstone, Renfrewshire

So that is actually William's mother born Cathcart and half-sister Isabella.

 

[DaveHam9]

1861
Govan
County: Lanark
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58 General Milliner Shotts
Janet McLuckie mother 88 Larbert, Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong dau 19 Cathead, Renfrewshire
Janet McLuckie niece 18 Govan
Christina McLuckie niece 16 Govan


I was given 1859 as the year George died but looking in SP there is no death 1855 - 1861 in Lanark for b. 1801 +/- 10. There are 5x if birth year is not entered. 2x in 1859, Govan and Calton.

 

[Ellie7]

1859 Govan

ARMSTRONG, GEORGE (Statutory Deaths 646/01 0142) 76Kb


Edit-http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries/the-mitchell-library/archives/collections/poor-law-archives/Pages/default.aspx

if you are still not sure then you could try for a poor relief record. Fees involved. They also have burial record. Depends how close an ancestor they were.

Ellie