Hello Everybody

[marymint]

Hi,

I am new to this forum and my name is Mary . I live in Australia but came here from Liverpool UK in 1978.
and hope with your help I can sort out my Brick wall (Dead-end).excuse the pun.

I have a marriage certificate of my Gt Grandfather George Pilgrim married to Elizabeth Walmsley in 1863 he was 35 yr s old ( so birth 1825c ). His father James Pilgrim was listed as deceased on the marriage certificate and occupation Cooper. George was a lodger in Liverpool and a Merchant Seaman, the house he lodged in had lots of mariners there. So I am not sure were he came from or his father James. I do know my Grandfather was born in 1870 also called George Pilgrim but Gt Grand father was not with them in the 1871 census. He just vanished and My Gt Grandmother Elizabeth remarried in 1878. Mystery here. Also George was an only child and I find it hard to fathom that they married in 1863 and then 7 years later Granddad was born.
Hope someone can give me a clue for my next move. I have searched and searched but nothing to tie things together.

 

[oznannie]

Welcome to the forum Mary from oznannie who lives in Rockingham W.A
You have come to the right place to get help from the wonderful genies here.
Good luck with your tree Mary.

ozn

 

[marymint]

Thank you for your welcome. Hope to spend some time here in the next few months ;-)

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to FHUK


Please have a look around the forums and then post your queries in the most appropriate ones and someone will try to answer them.

Good luck with your research.

Regards,

Dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi Peeps
1871 Elizabeth 33 is listed as married and George is 1yr old both born Lpool.
courts in Upper Milk St.
Thomas Forshaw is the head of the family & Elizabeth listed as his cousin.
Not sure yet of the connection here.
ozn

 

[oznannie]

In 1891 census in Anx somone has put a correct to George's surname, at this time he is married to Louisa, baby Elizabeth E.
If you don't have subs Mary, would you like me to contact the person??
All the best
ozn

 

[marymint]

Yes in 1891 that is my Grandfather (he was born in 1870)and my Grand Mother was Louisa D'arcy they were both age 18yr when they married. Elizabeth Ellen the baby was my Aunt.

It is his father (another George)he was born in 1825c who vanished after 1870, they did get married I have their marriage lines also Grand Dads birth certificate,with his father's name on it.
I do not understand about the correct to George's surname ? it is Pilgrim (my maiden name).
Thomas Foreshaw was Elizabeth's sisters husband and that is were I found them when I was looking for Elizabeth's husband George. ?? Never ever found him anywhere, then I found Elizabeth remarried in 1878.
I have lost my Gt Grandfather ;-(
Thanks for your help./

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Mary

Welcome to the forum

I think you have a case of marrying whilst already married.

There is a James Pilgrim 47 in 1841 married to Maria Mearing in 1814 aged 50 with children George 18, Thomas 14 and Eliza 13, living in St Giles Reading

1851 HO107-1491-397-41 James 56, Hariot? 59 marylebone
1861 RG9-1-101-8 James 67 Carpenter, Maria 71, both German, british subjects

1851 HO107-1491-220-46 George 30 Blackwater, Carpenter, Eliza 37 Finchley, Charles 2 M'bone Marriage George to Eliza Dodd sep qtr 1845 M'bone
1861 RG9-39-100-4 George 40, Eliza 40, Charles 12
1871 RG10-41-114-41 George 51 Blackheath?, Carpenter, Eliza 54 Charles 23
1881 George 63, Eliza 66

1871 RG10 3772-3831 Thomas Forshaw 35 head Elizabeth Pilgrim 33, George 1

The fact that George is not on the 1871 census with Elizabeth ties in with him being with Eliza. Two non matches - James and George were Carpenters. I suppose a Cooper is very similar, but no mention of a Mariner

Let me know if you can't access census returns from the ref.

dave

 

[leefer]

Welcome Mary....hope you get some luck with your research...Lee

 

[marymint]

Thank you Everybody

Hi All

Me again, just want to say Thank You for all who welcomed me and are trying to help.
Every little thing may bring you nearer your search.

Thank you all

Cheers Mary.