HELP!! calling all experts!!!

[Tranquilunatic]

I am researching family history on behalf of an elderly gentleman who is trying to locate the graves of his parents. He has very limited information with regards to his parents. I only have the information from his full birth certifcate. I HAVE NO DEATH DATES!!!
Does anybody out there have any idea how i can locate further info without a death date????
I have made so many phone calls to various places and they all require a death date.
please please please help me as i really wish to help this gentleman so he can pay his last respects to his mum and dad.

p.s i do have the cemetery's for them in london but the offices there need death dates. short of looking at every single grave i am out of leads!!!!

 

[sterico]

welcome to the F.H.U.K forums, if you require any help, just post in the apropriate forums with as much information as you do have, then our members will help you where they can , good luck with your research
best regards Sterico

 

[b00kie]

Do you have the parents names and/or area they lived in? How old is the gentleman you are trying to help? Did he know his parents? We need a little more info.
welcome
b00kie

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
If you make a post in say BMD deaths. Give us all you know about your gentleman and his parents with any dates and places you have. Also the area his parents died, ie cemetry. Hopefully we will be able to find them from that
dave

 

[marjon]

I am researching family history on behalf of an elderly gentleman who is trying to locate the graves of his parents. He has very limited information with regards to his parents. I only have the information from his full birth certifcate. I HAVE NO DEATH DATES!!!
Does anybody out there have any idea how i can locate further info without a death date????
I have made so many phone calls to various places and they all require a death date.
please please please help me as i really wish to help this gentleman so he can pay his last respects to his mum and dad.

p.s i do have the cemetery's for them in london but the offices there need death dates. short of looking at every single grave i am out of leads!!!!

Hi and Welcome, welcome First how old is the "old" gentleman? Does he have his birth certificate showing his parents names and where he was born? That is your starting point and father's occupation? 1911 Census may help if he is very elderly. Electoral Rolls also may help. Does this gentleman have siblings? Any idea of their last known place of abode? Definitely need to fill in some gaps here. Cheers

 

[Ellie]

I am researching family history on behalf of an elderly gentleman who is trying to locate the graves of his parents. He has very limited information with regards to his parents. I only have the information from his full birth certifcate. I HAVE NO DEATH DATES!!!
Does anybody out there have any idea how i can locate further info without a death date????
I have made so many phone calls to various places and they all require a death date.
please please please help me as i really wish to help this gentleman so he can pay his last respects to his mum and dad.

p.s i do have the cemetery's for them in london but the offices there need death dates. short of looking at every single grave i am out of leads!!!!

Firstly, I would gather all the information you do have. depending on the age of the gentleman you may be able to find some links on census returns, well maybe the 1911 ( which in turn would enable you to get an idea of year of birth and also the area the family were living/born in.
When you've gathered some information you may be able to go to your local archives and search through records for burials etc.Good luck and I really hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[Tranquilunatic]

Morning and thankyou for the replies here thats great!
I have obtained a copy of his full birth certificate. The gentleman I am helping is called Lawrence O'Connor date of birth 20th August 1932. His father was Cornelius O'Connor his mother Florence May O'Connor. His fathers occupation was an Engineer Labourer. A member of the family said that his mother was buried at East Finchley Cemetery and his father buried at Kensal Green. For complicated reasons I am unable to contact the family member who gave this information to his home carers.

thanks

 

[Ellie]

Morning and thankyou for the replies here thats great!
I have obtained a copy of his full birth certificate. The gentleman I am helping is called Lawrence O'Connor date of birth 20th August 1932. His father was Cornelius O'Connor his mother Florence May O'Connor. His fathers occupation was an Engineer Labourer. A member of the family said that his mother was buried at East Finchley Cemetery and his father buried at Kensal Green. For complicated reasons I am unable to contact the family member who gave this information to his home carers.

thanks

That's brilliant that you have a bit more information. It'll take a bit of time but if you can search death indexes (make an educated guess for the year), you will be able(hopefully) to find the year of death.You can then take this to central archives and search for burials.

 

[Ellie]

...Can you post the town/district where Mr O'connor was born please? maybe then we can try to find a marriage record? what do you think?

 

[oznannie]

There is a birth for Lawrence O'Connor
jul/sep qtr 1932 1b 92 Pancras Gt London
mother's maiden name Smith
also Donald T 1934
Good luck with your search
oznannie

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I have only been able to find the two births posted by Oznannie. Donald's ref is Jan/Mar Qtr 1934 Pancras ref 1b 122, also mother Smith

The only death I could find is for Florence May Oconnor born 9/5/1895 died 1990 aged 94, Camden ref 14 1738

I cannot find a marriage between Cornelious O'connor and Florence May Smith, or any other Florence May.

It makes me wonder if they married and if so was it in Ireland, although I can't find one there with the limited access I have.
dave

 

[Ellie]

Hi
I have only been able to find the two births posted by Oznannie. Donald's ref is Jan/Mar Qtr 1934 Pancras ref 1b 122, also mother Smith

The only death I could find is for Florence May Oconnor born 9/5/1895 died 1990 aged 94, Camden ref 14 1738

I cannot find a marriage between Cornelious O'connor and Florence May Smith, or any other Florence May.

It makes me wonder if they married and if so was it in Ireland, although I can't find one there with the limited access I have.
dave

.. I can't find a marriage record either

 

[b00kie]

Hi,
Florence May Smith abt 1887 Clarkenwell London, parents Henry George Smith & Louisa Ann Edwards. Married Cornelius born 1885 Clerkenwell London-his parents were Cornelius 1856, Sarah Knowlden 1854. They married 1873 Lambert London. 6 children listed as "living". 1 child- Charles Leoanrd Henry St. Thomas O'Connor
born 1916, died July 1,1985-68 yr old,- married Eleanor Jenny Hardy 12/25/1938, St. Luke's Church, West Holloway, Islington - they had 1 child listed as "living".
I found this info on the "O'Connor Tree" - don't know how old the info is for the children to still be "living". Sorry there are no death dates listed.
b00kie

 

[Tranquilunatic]

THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU to all those who have helped me with this! I am now able to make some phone calls in the morning and this time i may succeed!!

 

[Ellie]

Good luck and I Hope you succeed

 

[Tranquilunatic]

Hello
I have further information: Lawrence had a sister. Here are the details I have from her cremation/memorial stone from Cockfosters cemetery London.
Constance Mary Prigmore Died 22 August 1998. Her husbands details: Thomas Albert Prigmore died 13 Sept 1968.

Siblings of Lawrence as follows: Doris Leach, Connie Prigmore (details above), Charles (Charlie) Jimmy (Jim) John (Johnny).

Does anybody know how i could use this info to locate more on the parents?
thanks.

 

[Karen Strother]

Hello
I have further information: Lawrence had a sister. Here are the details I have from her cremation/memorial stone from Cockfosters cemetery London.
Constance Mary Prigmore Died 22 August 1998. Her husbands details: Thomas Albert Prigmore died 13 Sept 1968.

Siblings of Lawrence as follows: Doris Leach, Connie Prigmore (details above), Charles (Charlie) Jimmy (Jim) John (Johnny).

Does anybody know how i could use this info to locate more on the parents?
thanks.

Hi
Great news for you. I would suggest as Ellie has in a previous post that you now try the census records which will give you more info and some more leads to follow - great fun isn't it? :biggrin:
Cheers
Karen

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
This is what I believe to be your friends parents and siblings

Cornelious's 2nd wife was Florence May Smith and they married 1907 +/- 1

Cornelious 1873 Fruit Packer Export, Holborn, Middlesex
Florence May 1885 Islington, London
children of 1st wife
*Annie Rosina Daughter 1898 Strand, Drury Lane, London
*Ellen Rebecca Daughter 1901 Strand Drury Lane London
children of 2nd wife
Florence Jenny 1908 Islington London
Constance Mary 1910 Yiewsley, Middlesex
John Denis, March 1911 Yiewsley Middlesex
Alfred C.L.J O/D 1913 St Pancras
Charles L.H.St T J/S 1916 Islington
Alfred O/D 1919 Islington
James E. A/J 1921 Southwark
Bartholemew J. J/M 1922 Islington
Doreen A/J 1924 Islington
Doris A.A. O/D 1927 Islington
Irene A J/S 1928 Southwark
Thomas W.E. J/S 1929 Islington
Lawrence J/S 1932 St Pancras
Derrick T. J/M 1934 St Pancras

I wonder if your friend knows how many siblings he had!!

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
1901
O CONNOR, Cornelius Head Married M 28 1873 Fruit Porter Holborn London
O CONNOR, Annie R Wife Married F 23 1878 St Clem Danes London
O CONNOR, Annie R Daughter F 2 1899 St Clem Danes London
O CONNOR, Ellen R Daughter F 1 1900 St Clem Danes London
O CONNOR, Annie Niece Single F 15 1886 Holborn London


RG number:RG13
Piece:243
Folio:93
Page:28

Registration District: Strand
Sub District: Strand
Enumeration District: 6
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Clement Danes

Civil Parish: St Clement Danes
Address:
1, Craven Yard, St Clement Danes
County: London

living in the next house was John O'connor b1823 Ireland. This may be Cornelious's father.

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
Marriage
Cornelious O'connor to Florence M Smith
O/D 1911 Uxbridge ref 3a 98
this does not tie in with my previous post, but it was correct

Marriage
Cornelious O'Connor to Annie Rosina Spence
O/D 1898 St Giles, London ref 1b 1166

Death, based on the birth dates we now know, this may be Cornelious's death
1952 aged 79 Islington ref 5c 1229

and this Florence's
1965 aged 78 Islington ref 5c 535

and Annie Rosina
Sept 1908 aged 30 Southwark ref 1d 9.

dave