Help I'm stuck and confused!!!

[christineoa]

Hi all, Am trying to find the siblings of Samuel Lamb. Although he was known as Sam he was born Frederick, Arthur Lamb in 1896 in Hackney and married my Gt Aunt Elizabeth, Sophia Holding in 1917, Lambeth. The marriage record on Ancestry has him as Samuel, Frederick, Arthur George Lamb. His father was Frederick, George Lamb deceased who was a labourer by trade.

1901 census has Frederick (known as Sam) with parents Frederick & Ellen in Hackney with siblings; Winifred, Jonathan, William, Charles, Margaret, Florence, Rebecca and Susan.

By 1911 Ellen now widowed and at 8 Alaska Street in Lambeth with; children William, L Charles R and Florence L (all with surname of NOAKES) as well as Frederick, Samuel, Rebecca, Elsie Rees (both named lamb) and Susan, Emma Wilkins (adopted child) as well as Grandchildren Winnie, Ellen, Sydney George and Florence, Marie Withers.

The 1911 Census records states that Ellen had 6 children in total and that all 6 were alive at this time however, when I checked the 1891 Census I find Frederick & Ellen with 3 other children; Robert, Rowland and Amelia!! So am now totally confused!! Can anyone help me sort out the mystery of Samuel's siblings?

Any ideas would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks in advance,
confused Christine! :biggrin:

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I have a feeling that the record you found in 1891 is not your Frederick, If it is, it's a different Ellen.

1881 - RG11-303-72-47
Jonathan Noakes 21, Ellen A 23, Ellen W 6m

1891 - RG12-1082-20-33
Johnson Noakes 30 Hackney, Ellen 34 Brighton, Ellen W 10 Paddington, Jonathan 8 Tottenham, William L 5 Tottenham, Margaret E 3m Edmonton, Mary B Ratcliffe 10m Tottenham, Nurse child

In 1881 Frederick is with his mother, Elizabeth 53, Frederick 16 Bethnal Green

So all the children in 1891 are to Jonathan Noakes and Ellen A from Brighton
Florence 1894 could be the first child of Frederick and Ellen from Brighton

Trouble is, I can't find Jonathan's death ie 1891/1901, nor can I find his Marriage to Ellen from Brighton about 1880, or Ellen Noakes marriage to Frederick Lamb between 1881 and 1891

Hope this helps

dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

A marriage for Jonathan Noakes in Bethnal Green - 1882. One of the brides listed is a Ellen Alice Marsh.

 

[christineoa]

Hi thanks for that information. It is possible that Samuel's mother Ellen was Ellen, Alice Marsh who married Jonathan Noakes in 1882 and perhaps after being widowed she only lived with Frederick Lamb? and this is maybe why no marriage record can be found.

Now that I have the new lead of Ellen's possible maiden name and her husband's name of Noakes I will attempt to contact anyone else possibly researching with a Marsh/Noakes/Lamb connection and see what I can find out.

Thanks so much you have both been really helpful to my research!