Help Needed Elizabeth DUGGAN

[lotnot123]

Hello,

I am pretty new to this and need some help with Irish records. My great-grandmother was Elizabeth Constance Duggan. I have a copy of her UK death certificate which lists her birth as 16th October 1902 in Dublin. I also have her father's name as Edward Duggan from her marriage certificate of 1925 and that he was deceased then. I would really like to find out more about her for my father as he had lived with her when he was a boy and knows nothing about her background. My uncle seems to think that she may have been born in Cork rather than Dublin.

Can anyone help? I have used ancestry but can't find any record of her birth and obviously don't have her mothers maiden name. Are there any other channels I could follow. My father thinks she may have had a passport as he remembers her going on a pilgrimage to France when he was a teenager. Would I be able to find out her mother's maiden name from them?

Any help gratefully received.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.


I can't see a birth in the Oct-Dec Qtr of 1902.

There is this one in Co. Cork but that's all I can find from FamilySearch. There are other sites to check but some require credits or a subscription.

Elizabeth Duggan
Event Type Birth
Event Date Jul - Sep 1902
Event Place Kinsale, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jul - Sep 1902
Registration District Kinsale
Volume Number 5
Page Number 283 or 285 ??

I'll check a bit more.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Do you know when Elizabeth left Ireland as I can't find her in 1911 Irish census.

Do you have the details of any siblings?

Where did Elizabeth marry?

I can't see one who fits in the 1911 English census either.

2x Edward born Co. Cork in 1911 - one in Devon and the other in Glamorgan.

I could do with some help.

Dave

 

[emeltee]

From today (15th) until the 18th Sept Findmypast are giving free access to their Irish records. Might be worth having a look.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Mother's maiden name was not recorded on the Index to Civil Registration until 1929 Record Coverage

The original civil registration districts were based on 160 medical dispensary districts and in many cases cross county boundaries. This means that in certain cases births will be recorded in a county other than where the person lived.

 

[lotnot123]

Do you know when Elizabeth left Ireland as I can't find her in 1911 Irish census.

Do you have the details of any siblings?

Where did Elizabeth marry?

I can't see one who fits in the 1911 English census either.

2x Edward born Co. Cork in 1911 - one in Devon and the other in Glamorgan.

I could do with some help.

Dave

Hello Dave,
Thank you very much for your help.
Elizabeth Duggan married William James Burke in Kentish Town London in 1925. I have got a copy of the marriage certificate from my father. My father has no idea when she came to London or the UK as his father was always tight lipped on the past. She may have been the daughter of an unmarried mother.

It was my grandfather, who is now deceased, who completed the death certificate. My father has no other documents relating to her.

Any ideas? I am working at the moment but will look at the other information you posted tonight.

Charlotte

 

[lotnot123]

I just posted a reply. Did this get lost.

I will type it again in a min if so.

 

[p.risboy]

1911 Irish census(which is free to view online) via the Irish N.A.

There is a Elizabeth Duggan, born c1902,Co.Cork, with mother(married) and siblings.

Living in Crosshaven Village in County Cork. Poor law union of Kinsale.


View attachment 3582

Steve.

 

[lotnot123]

Thanks Steve. That looks promising. Should I be looking in Kinsdale for marriage and birth records? OR did the previous poster mention that there were not birth records, possibly baptism records.
Charlotte

 

[p.risboy]

I'm not sure, only if there isn't a birth for Elizabeth Duggan in Dublin. Then the net needs to be spread wider. The Census I gave, was in reaction to DaveHams post for a birth.

Irish GRO. https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRO_Research.aspx

'The General Register Office (Oifig An Ard-Chláraitheora) maintains a family research facility at Werburgh Street, Dublin 2.

At this office members of the public, for a prescribed fee, may search the indexes to the registers and purchase photocopies of records identified from the indexes. Please see Searches and Fees below for details of the fees.

Indexes in relation to the following records of life events are available for inspection at the research facility:'

'Births registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31 December, 1921 inclusive, and in Ireland (excluding the six north-eastern counties of Derry, Antrim, Down, Armagh, Fermanagh and Tyrone known as Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards.
Deaths registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards.
Non-Roman Catholic Marriages registered in the island of Ireland between 1st April, 1845 and 31st December, 1863 inclusive.
Marriages registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards.
Domestic Adoptions registered in Ireland from 10th July, 1953 onwards.'


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

I can only see one birth for the year 1902, Dublin South, and that is for Elizabeth Bridget Duggan.

I can see none with the name of Constance.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1911 Irish Census.

Name: Lissie Duggan. Roman Catholic. born, Cityof Dublin.
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Birth Year: abt 1903
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
44, Booterstown Avenue.
District: Blackrock No. 1
Saint Annes Industrial School.
County: Dublin

College and Boarding School return.

________________________________________

2 Marriages for Edward Duggan in Dublin.

Edward Duggan
Jan-Feb-Mar, 1895
Dublin South, Ireland
Volume: 2
Page -711

Edward Duggan
Apr-May-Jun, 1903
Dublin South, Ireland
Volume: 2
Page - 610
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There a lot of possible births in Dublin, with just surname only.

Female Duggan
Oct-Nov-Dec 1902
Dublin North
Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 458

Name - Duggan
Jul-Aug-Sep 1902
Dublin South
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page-570

Name - Duggan
Jul-Aug-Sep 1902
Dublin North
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page -521


Steve.

 

[stockpot]

I don't think it is the Elizabeth in post #8, looks like that one's father is William :- Elizabeth Lang mar William Duggan Q4 1900 in Kinsale

Elaine

 

[DaveHam9]

No sign of middle name or middle initial C and don't know if it's Dublin or Cork makes it very difficult.

A check of those 2 Edwards in 1911. ??

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

1911 Irish census. ( A Maybe).

Surname Forename Age *** Relation to head Religion
Bannon Anne 57 Female Head of Family R Catholic
Duggan Edward 44 Male Boarder R Catholic. Occ.Labourer.
Duggan Mary 36 Female Boarder R Catholic
Duggan Margret 12 Female Boarder R Catholic

Residents of a house 36.2 in Mercer Street, Upper (Mansion House, Dublin)

Married 17 years.
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1911. (Unlikely).

Surname Forename Age *** Relation to head Religion
Duggan Edward 41 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic. Occ. Printer Compositor.
Duggan Elizabeth 39 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Duggan Joseph 18 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan Edward 17 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan Florence 15 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Duggan Gerald 11 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan James 9 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan George 7 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan Dermot 5 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan Rita 3 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Duggan Mary Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Maguire Rebecca 50 Female Servant Roman Catholic.

Residents of a house 46.1 in Portland Row (Mountjoy, Dublin)

Married 19 years.
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One other Edward Duggan, who is single in 1911.

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(A possible)

Surname Forename Age *** Relation to head Religion
Duggan Edward 42 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic. Occ.Oil refiner.
Duggan Mary 35 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Duggan Edward 7 Male Son Roman Catholic
Duggan Annie 3 Female Daughter Roman Catholic

Residents of a house 22 in Portobello Road (Wood Quay (part of), Dublin)

Married 9 years.
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That's about it really.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1911 Irish census(which is free to view online) via the Irish N.A.

There is a Elizabeth Duggan, born c1902,Co.Cork, with mother(married) and siblings.

Living in Crosshaven Village in County Cork. Poor law union of Kinsale.


View attachment 3582

Steve.

Marriage.

Elizabeth Lang
Oct-Nov-Dec, 1900
Kinsale, Ireland
Volume - 5
Page - 178

Elizabeth Lang
William Duggan
Elizabeth Laing


So that counts this family OUT.


Steve.

 

[lotnot123]

Thank you so much for the suggestion of the Irish records website. I have been having a good search through.

I have found a Maggie Duggan born on 16/10/1902 in Dublin with a father Edward and mother Lillie (which fits with some things my father has said). Obviously the man problem is that she is listed as Maggie and not Elizabeth. Could she have changed her name? Her death certificate is Elizabeth.

Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

 

[lotnot123]

Thank you so much for the suggestion of the Irish records website. I have been having a good search through.

I have found a Maggie Duggan born on 16/10/1902 in Dublin with a father Edward and mother Lillie (which fits with some things my father has said). Obviously the man problem is that she is listed as Maggie and not Elizabeth. Could she have changed her name? Her death certificate is Elizabeth.

Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

I have just realised looking at the image that she is not Maggie. That is the entry above and the computer has picked that up. There is a strike through so obviously not named at that point.

That the father Edward is a 'traveller' also fits with his description on the marriage certificate I have which lists him as a commerical traveller.

Does this mean I am from Gypsy or Irish Traveller stock?

I am really pleased I think I have found her (with your help).