Help Needed Pike / Hull names

[emandjam]

Hi,
I m new to this. so bear with me

ok i am trying to trace my grandmothers family on her mothers side. I am trying to fufill her wishes , she always wanted to know but alas she died 2 years ago, therefore i am going to do it.

I have managed to find the following information out:

Father : Leonard Alexis Pike 1905 - (not sure on DOD)
Mother : Grace Hilda Dorothy Hull 1897 - 1967 ( not to sure on dates but know she died in her 60's)

They were married in 1922 (this i do know for sure)

they had 6 Kids:
Margaret
Nellie (my gran)
Cyril
Violet
Ivy
Muriel

they lived in Dartford Kent.

Now the big problem i have is:

We believe that Grace hull was adopted. i dont know her parents names at the moment, my family source for information is very old and a bit forgetful.
We think her brothers name was ernest hull.

so what im begging for help is any suggestions where i could start my search i have tried a few websites but alas grace is proving very elusive.

any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

em

 

[gortonboy]

you could order the marriage cert,,,which could give fathers name and occupation.

Marriages Mar 1922
HULL Grace H D Pike Dartford 2a 974

PIKE Leonard A Hull Dartford 2a 974

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Graces marriage certificate will give you her fathers name and occupation.

There is a Grace Hull on the 1901 census born abt 1897 with parents and siblings one of them is a Ernest Hull. Have you looked at the 1911 census on findmypast to see if the family are there.

1901

Civil parish Streatham
RD Wandsworth
Sub RD Streatham

William Hull head age 40 occ buildersd labourer born Sutton?? Wiltshire
Sarah wife age 45 born Bampton Oxfordshire
Florence dau age 20 born Pimlico
Ernest son age 18 born Vauxhall
Sidney son age 13 born Bampton
Albert son age 8 born Kennington
Grace dau age 4 born Kenington
William Hunt nephew age 20 occ stableman/groom born Bampton
Plus 2 boarders

Class RG13
Piece 474
Folio 151
Page 41

 

[juliejtp]

It looks like that Grace Hull is showing on the 1911 index district Wandworth.

 

[davelambert271]

1911 census limited info
It looks as if William may have married a 2nd time. His wife is recorded as Florence not Sarah.
William 50
Florence 42
Albert 18
Grace 14
Willie 6
Arthur 2
living Wandsworth

dave

 

[davelambert271]

hi

Marriage
William Hull to Florence Wicketts Pinfield - A/J 1903 Wandsworth ref 1d 1222

EDIT

death
Sarah Hull born 1856 died aged 46 J/S 1902 Lambeth ref 1d 248

dave

 

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1891 Census Rose Cottage, Regent St, Lambeth
William Hull 30 b Yetton Kennel Wilts
Sarah 34 b Bampton Oxon
Florence 10 b Pimlico
Ernest 8 b Lambeth
Herby 6 b Battersea
Sidney 3 b Lambeth

 

[emandjam]

Thankyou all for your help.

I have found out some information that has me really stuck i dont know where to start.

I know that Wiiliam did remarry a lady called Florence. I now know that during this marriage williams children form his marriage to sarah were removed from the home and placed into care at Wandstead Flats Orphanage. I know that Grace was one of those children.

If any one know how i go about finding out some more info about dates and whether grace was adopted.

I also know there is a link between the salvation army and either William, Sarah, florence.


Any help would be great,

Many thanks

Em

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I was just making an update to your posting and then saw you had just updated it
I found what I think is Grace's birth details
Hilda Grace D Hull - J/S 1896 Lambeth ref 1d 471.
By what you say it looks as if we have her parents so don't think she can have been adopted, but if you get the cert it may help. She may have been looked after in a children's home.
dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
found this
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42785

this is part of the text.
Three orphanages were established in Wanstead in the mid 19th century. The Royal Wanstead school was founded at Hackney in 1827 as the Infant Orphan asylum, and was transferred to new buildings, south of the Eagle pond at Snaresbrook, in 1843. (fn. 127) The charity, maintained by public subscription, and conducted on Anglican lines, was originally intended for children from respectable families under the age of 8, but in 1852 it was decided to keep boys up to 14 and girls up to 15. (fn. 128) The number of children was about 500–600 during the later 19th century, after which it declined. (fn. 129) It was closed in 1971. The school buildings form an impressive range, especially when seen across the pond from Snaresbrook Road. (fn. 130) They were designed by (Sir) George Gilbert Scott in Jacobean style, of grey stone with buff stone dressings. (fn. 131)
The Commercial Travellers' school originated in 1845, when Robert Cuffley, himself a traveller, took the lead in raising funds to provide a school for the children of deceased or necessitous commercial travellers. (fn. 132) A house was bought in George Lane and the school opened there in 1847. By 1854 there were 135 children, and in 1855 the school was moved to Pinner (Mdx.), where it survived until 1967.
The Merchant Seamen's orphan asylum, established in 1827 at St. George's in the East (Lond.), was transferred in 1862 to a new building in Hermon Hill, Wanstead, which provided places for 300 orphans of British merchant seamen. (fn. 133) The building was taken over in 1921 by the convent of the Good Shepherd, as a refuge for women and girls, (fn. 134) and later became Wanstead hospital. (fn. 135) It stands in a commanding position on high ground, and was designed by G. C. Clarke as a fine example of the 'Venetian Gothic' style. (fn. 136)

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
don't know if this may help, but I believe Wansworth Orphanage records are held by
Essex Record Office
Wharf Road
Chelmsford
CM2 6YT
tel 01245 244644
they may be able to help, or point you in the right direction.
dave

 

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Death of Grace H D Pike
Mar qtr Dartford 5f 360 age 70