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Drwe

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I am looking for information on William Goldfinch b 1813 Margate Kent England,he was sent to Australia in 1832 on the ship Parmelia arriving on 16 Nov 1832. His index to certificate of freedom date is 20 Feb 1840.He married Mary Concannon on 7 Sep 1843.in Cooks River Petersham N.S.W. I would like to know what he was doing up to his death,plus did he have any children.
Also can i look up Austrialian censuses from the U.K.

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Drew
 

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Hi Drew,

Have had a look at NSW registers and found the following info which might help with your search.

William and Mary Goldfinch were there and seems they had the following children:

Francis b 1853
Francis b 1855 ( not sure if the one above died or not)
William b 1843 - no place listed
John b 1845- no place
George b 1848 - no place listed
Mary 1857 @ Molong NSW

( Molong is in central NSW west of Sydney and near Dubbo- the largest inland city in NSW)

Births:
V1834609 18/1834 GOLDFINCH SARAH A JOHN MARGARET
V18354386 142B/1835 GOLDFINCH THOMAS B THOMAS ANN
V1836405 20/1836 GOLDFINCH ELIZABETH JOHN MARGARET
V1843885 70/1843 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM WILLIAM MARY
V1845891 70/1845 GOLDFINCH JOHN WILLIAM MARY
V1848892 70/1848 GOLDFINCH GEORGE WILLIAM MARY
V1853893 70/1853 GOLDFINCH FRANCIS WILLIAM MARY
V18543074 40/1854 GOLDFINCH HENRY E JOHN H LUCY E
V1855275 53/1855 GOLDFINCH FRANCIS WILLIAM MARY
4176/1857 GOLDFINCH FRANCES H JOHN LUCY E ARMIDALE
8726/1857 GOLDFINCH MARY WILLIAM MARY MOLONG
4383/1859 GOLDFINCH LUCY A JOHN H LUCY E ARMIDALE
V18605672 142B/1860 GOLDFINCH ANNE THOMAS MARY
3156/1860 GOLDFINCH ANN THOMAS MARY CHIPPENDALE
4384/1861 GOLDFINCH MALE JOHN H LUCY E ARMIDALE
2874/1862 GOLDFINCH THOMAS R THOMAS MARY CHIPPENDALE
5549/1862 GOLDFINCH ELIZABETH A GEORGE CHARLOTTE G BURRANGONG
4657/1863 GOLDFINCH ARTHUR H JOHN H LUCY E ARMIDALE
3084/1864 GOLDFINCH GEORGE THOMAS MARY REDFERN
12216/1864 GOLDFINCH CHARLES G JOHN H LUCY E NEWCASTLE


Marriages:

Thomas Barber G and Mary Ryan 1859 Sydney
William and Isobella Jacobsen 1897 @ Newtown ( Sydney)
John and Amelia Saisell 1881 Gulgong NSW
George and Ellen Davis 1866 Parramatta ( Sydney)
Henry W Goldfinch m Annie Finn 1880 Sydney
George W and Eveline Harper 1883 Sydney
Richard and Marg Dixon 1881 Sydney
Henry E and Elizabeth King 1882 Sydney

see below for the cut and paste

V1833185 17/1833 GOLDFINCH JOHN RICHARDSON MARGARET CJ
V1843685 27C/1843 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM CUNCANNON MARY MN
598/1859 GOLDFINCH THOMAS BARBER RYAN MARY SYDNEY
2783/1866 GOLDFINCH GEORGE DAVIS ELLEN PARRAMATTA
141/1880 GOLDFINCH HENRY W FINN ANNIE SYDNEY
1106/1881 GOLDFINCH RICHARD DIXON MARG A E SYDNEY
4904/1881 GOLDFINCH JOHN THOMAS B SAISELL AMELIA GULGONG
388/1882 GOLDFINCH HENRY E KING ELIZABETH M SYDNEY
1471/1883 GOLDFINCH GEORGE W HARPER EVELINE SYDNEY
3315/1886 GOLDFINCH THOMAS R FROST EDITH A RANDWICK
7171/1895 GOLDFINCH THOMAS R FROST FLORENCE E LEICHHARDT
7826/1895 GOLDFINCH THOMAS HOYE MARY A WAGGA WAGGA
5906/1897 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM JACOBSEN ISABELLA NEWTOWN
404/1909 GOLDFINCH GEORGE W LECKIE GEORGINA SYDNEY
404/1909 GOLDFINCH GEORGE W WADDELL GEORGINA SYDNEY
1150/1911 GOLDFINCH PHILIP H M COWPER MARY M CAMDEN
2690/1911 GOLDFINCH FREDERICK W WEDDERBURN MAUDE B PETERSHAM Buy Now
9097/1911 GOLDFINCH EGBERT E TRACEY KATIE S COONABARABRAN
12812/1912 GOLDFINCH RICHARD J A MULDER AMY L SYDNEY
8615/1915 GOLDFINCH DUNCAN A M BUCHANAN ANNIE V B SYDNEY B

4904/1881 GOLDFINCH JOHN THOMAS B SAISELL AMELIA GULGONG
388/ 1882 GOLDFINCH HENRY E KING ELIZABETH M SYDNEY
1471/1883 GOLDFINCH GEORGE W HARPER EVELINE SYDNEY
3315/1886 GOLDFINCH THOMAS R FROST EDITH A RANDWICK
7171/1895 GOLDFINCH THOMAS R FROST FLORENCE E LEICHHARDT
7826/1895 GOLDFINCH THOMAS HOYE MARY A WAGGA WAGGA
5906/1897 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM JACOBSEN ISABELLA NEWTOWN
404/1909 GOLDFINCH GEORGE W LECKIE GEORGINA SYDNEY
404/1909 GOLDFINCH GEORGE W WADDELL GEORGINA SYDNEY
1150/1911 GOLDFINCH PHILIP H M COWPER MARY M CAMDEN
2690/1911 GOLDFINCH FREDERICK W WEDDERBURN MAUDE B PETERSHAM
9097/1911 GOLDFINCH EGBERT E TRACEY KATIE S COONABARABRAN
12812/1912 GOLDFINCH RICHARD J A MULDER AMY L SYDNEY
8615/1915 GOLDFINCH DUNCAN A M BUCHANAN ANNIE V B SYDNEY
11134/1921 GOLDFINCH JOHN T FAIRCLOUGH EDITH M ASHFIELD
12108/1922 GOLDFINCH WALWIN J HARRIS OLIVE COONABARABRAN
14629/1922 GOLDFINCH HENRY A C FRAZER HILDA G GLEBE
16697/1926 GOLDFINCH THOMAS E HARNWELL OLIVE M LIVERPOOL
20022/1927 GOLDFINCH HERBERT J SCHOFIELD LAURA J CASINO
11141/1928 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM G MACKENZIE EVA F AUBURN
11141/1928 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM G MCKENZIE EVA F AUBURN
748/1930 GOLDFINCH RAYMOND C KEENAN MARGARET E AUBURN
5833/1933 GOLDFINCH THOMAS G WOODWARD DULCIE M ASHFIELD
5765/1935 GOLDFINCH GILBERT M JONASEN MAVIS O SYDNEY
17705/1936 GOLDFINCH WILLIAM ALFRED CORSON SARAH GOODWIN MACINTYRE CHATSWOOD
5405/1937 GOLDFINCH VICTOR HAROLD WILKINSON GLADYS JEAN MARGARET KOGARAH
1160/1938 GOLDFINCH FREDRICK RICHARD BLAIR FLORENCE MAVIS ASHFIELD
6169/1941 GOLDFINCH MALCOLM GILBERT CHARTRES LOIS ELIZABETH WOOLLAHRA
342/1942 GOLDFINCH THOMAS SAMUEL TRIMBLE MABEL GERTRUDE SYDNEY Buy Now
20095/1942 GOLDFINCH EDMUND JENE FREDERICK ATKINS FLORENCE FAITHFUL AUBURN
22864/1942 GOLDFINCH FREDERICK MIDDLETON KLESSATTEL JOAN FRANCES LIVERPOOL
7887/1944 GOLDFINCH OSCAR SILVESTER MEISTERHAUS WINIFRED MARJORIE ASHFIELD
16618/1944 GOLDFINCH RICHARD FRANK ALAN MITCHELL JOYCE RUTH HURSTVILLE
23584/1944 GOLDFINCH STANLEY MACGREGOR MARGARET MAY LIVERPOOL




Note- Am not sure if this William is the same as William b 1843 but was the only other William listed for NSW on the register.
Also there are two Georges- George and George W;


George and Ellen Davis m 1866 had the following children:


1. George b 1867 @ Penrith ( Western Sydney)
2 Elizabeth b 1869 @ Penrith
3 George b 1871 @ Penrith
George b 1867 @ Penrith
4. Thomas b 1871 @ Penrith
5. Amelia b 1874 @Parramatta
6. Richard b 1875 @Parramatta
7. Henry b 1879
8. Stella b 1882 Central Cumberland
9. Ruth b 1884 Central Cumberland
10.Edith b 1888 Central Cumberland


John and Amelia Saisell m 1881 Gulgong had :

1. Bartholomew 1884 @ Dubbo NSW
2. Adolphus 1885 @ Coonabarabran ( is north of Dubbo) died 1885
3. Harold G 1886 @ Coonabarabran
4. Egbert 1891 @ Cbb
5. Lilian 1892 @ cbb
6. Walwin I 1893 @ cbb
7. John T 1894 @ cbb
8. Jane D 1896 @ cbb died 1910
9. William D 1898 @ cbb
10. Ethel 1899 @ Cbb

There is not much at Coonabarabran- is a small township. Main industry is farming- such as wheat and cotton so perhaps farmers or graziers???.

George and Eva had Leslie b 1887 Paddington- Sydney

There was also a Thomas and Mary who had Vera in 1897 Adelong ( between Wagga and Tumut NSW; Thomas B @ Wagga Wagga in 1896 and Freda 1900 @ Adelong. Not sure if these are connected or not - could be Thomas b 1871 son of George and Ellen of Parramatta.
You could probably sketch up the tree with this lot of info! I found I could copy and paste after setting them all out and looking for the ones that were probably the offspring of your William and Mary!


Good luck with the research! Hope this sets you on your way and keeps you busy for a while eh!.:biggrin:

regards

Bronhill
 

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Hi again Drew,


Hope I didn't saturate you too much with info!!! >:D Just thought I would take a look when I read your request as NSW info is free for BDMs unlike other states and found all this stuff- gather you are in England whereas I am in NSW downunder!! . Plus as I have found out - was able to cut and past after spending a good half hour sifting for Mary and William's offspring as the give parent names.
The NSW census only has the 1841 and 1891 but there is very little info. Only the areas listed in the 1891 and not names of people.

If I can do the same with the death ones will send you those as well!! Then you can cross reference. Only problem is, they often don't give the age That helps when calculating birthdate and cross checking.
Hope I can do this- try www.bdm.nsw.gov.au and see if that works.

cheers
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Hi Bronhill.
The info was a great help,i found William & Marys children.The 1st 2 were born while William was still a convict,& he married while a convict.I have also found some deaths.

William b 24 3 1843 Hartley NSW
John b 23 11 1845 Errol Carcoar NSW
George b 30 6 1848 Hartley NSW
Frances b 25 11 1855 Tambaroora Hill End NSW
Mary b 11 11 1857 Molong nsw
Rebecca b 11 11 1857 Lachlan NSW
Thomas b221 1858 Tuena NSW.

Could you give me a rough idea of the location of the above places.

Once again Many thanks.

Kind Regards

Drew
 

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Hi Drew,

Glad the info was of some help to you! :)

Re the localities- all are situated west of Sydney in central NSW. Am not sure about Lachlan as a place as there is nnothing to my knowledge by that name in NSW however there is one in Tasmania near Hobart ( New Norfolk) but given the Lachlan River is not far from these places then it may refer to a place near to the other places you mention all of which are due west of Sydney across the Mountains ( or Great Dividing Range) on the other side of what we Aussies call the sandstone curtain- near Bathurst and south of there on the road to Cowra. In fact the Lachlan River runs through Cowra and into the Murrumbidgee River (the River closest to where we live). Of course The Bidgee runs into the Murray which runs all the way from the Victorian mountains ( along the border of NSW and Victoria) into South Australia and into the sea south of Adelaide.
( My geography lesson for the year!!!:2fun: )
They also mined for gold at Mudgee with is a little further north and east of Dubbo and north of Hill End.

Hartley is a tiny little place between Lithgow and Bathurst. Carcoar is between Cowra ( now a reasonable sized country town) and Bathurst ( now a city). Molong only small , is also near Orange ( quite large) and Bathurst and Tuena is a tiny little place 80k Sth of Bathurst probably about 20 km SE of Carcoar as the crow flies ( an Aussie saying meaning in a straight line and not as the road winds!):biggrin: .

Hill End is North East of Bathurst and is a Gold mining area where gold was first found back in the 1850s. Perhaps your ancestors were into mining gold as were some of mine- only they were in Victoria near Ballarat - north West of Melbourne. There was a great deal of Gold mining around the Bathurst district. Other than that- it is farming land. Bathurst is quite a large township these days. Is very cold though- in winter. Has been known to snow at times!!!
Went to Hill End once and it was wet. cold and bloody miserable!:( Plus the road was unsealed and rough boneshaker! Is very hilly there and rocky- typical gold mining countryside. I think even today there are only about half a dozen houses plus a pub. :D ( At least that is a plus!)

Happy researching....

I would imagine your convict received a pardon or ticket of leave as it was known so headed off to seek his fortune. When I was teaching I did a lot on the Gold Rush with the kids and also early Australia and we had a ball. It was interesting that many of the convicts sent out had committed relatively little crime- perhaps stealing a loaf of bread to feed the family or a bolt of cloth- even a handkerchief. As the hulks were full in England - captain Cook came a lookin' for somewhere to send the poor buggers... and so they ended up here minus their families- women included. The worst convict camps were Norfolk Island and Port Arthur in Tasmania. I think they are what makes us Ozzzies such a laconic bunch- plus resilient ( although I can't find any convicts in our lot- which is surprising!). Harsh life back in those times.
If you are interested in reading up on this stuff there is certainly plenty on the internet plus on Hill End, Sofala, Hargraves, Bathurst areas. Also on life in early Sydney... the Run Rebellion etc, The Rocks area, Parramatta et al.
I am having some fun finding out about Tickhill Castle at the moment where GGGgrandfather was a groom working at the stables back in the early 1800's.

Hope I haven't bored you to tears:confused: :rolleyes:

cheers for now

Glen
 

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The Goldfinch family in Australia are part of my Bruce/Klessattel family, Joan Frances Klessattel married Edward Frederick Goldfinch 1942 Liverpool. NSW.
Australia. Joan Frances Klessattel is the daughter of John Klessattel and Amilda Byrnes, John Klessattel was first cousin to my Grandfather, James Wood. I have some information on the Goldfinch family and am in contact with Joan Goldfinch who is now in her 80's, if you are interested I am happy to send you whatever I have. I came across you're Help Needed via Google, when I was researching my Klessattel family and thought I should contact you. Regards from SandyM.
 
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I am of the original Goldfinch family from Margate Ramsgate. James and William both on my family tree - cousins exported to Australia. One of the Aussie descendants gave me all his family tree stuff printed out which I have somewhere in an envelope. There are a lot of Goldfinch descendants in Australia. I shall have to go find it and study it more. There is a book written by Lady Goldfinch on her family from up the road at Whistable and no one has been able to find a connection between the Whistable Goldfinch family and the Margate/Ramsgate Goldfinch family. They appear to be two separate entities.
https://www.sackettfamily.info/g0/p402.htm
 

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