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Help please if you can

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Cambridge
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England
I have found my great grand parents in the 1901 census.

William Sawyer aged 26 living in Walthamstow Brewers Drayman Born Mistley Essex.

Mary Ann Sawyer aged 26 born Great Bromley Essex.

William Sawyer aged 5 months born in Walthamstow.

I cant find any records of William or Mary in the 1891 census they would both be around 16 yrs old. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am very new to this and maybe i doing something wrong:(
 
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Hi Joe,

The only one showing with 1875 +/- 2yrs either side is a William Sawyer born abt 1875 Shalford Essex living with parents and siblings in West Ham.

Class RG12
Piece 1327
Folio 109
Page 80

You will need to get his marriage certficate for his fathers name. What is Marys maiden name? one of their childrens birth certificates will give you her maiden name.
 
Hi Joe,

Could be them in 1891. Name transcribed Saurger by Ancestry.

Class RG 12
Piece 1403
Folio 153
Page 33

Looks like the same family in 1881

Class RG11
Piece 1784
Folio 72
Page 15
 
Thanks for the help. You were right it was Saurger, that explains why i couldnt find it. :D I was doing an exact search so it wasnt picking up Saurger. Oh well live and learn. I have now been able to trace the family back to 1851. But i guess this is when it gets harder.
Does anyone know about Essex parish records are they kept in Colchester and are they searchable on line???
 
hi Joe

sometimes when you are searching 'less is more' for example, if I wanted to find 'kezia trulove' I would try just the basics to begin with, if that didnt show anything, or I suspected that the name was mistranscribed then i'd either use the first name only (and dob/pob) OR surname only + pob/dob.

sometimes it helps esp on ancestry to search for say Kez** tru*** (this is called wildcarding) and it enables you to find more out and possible mistakes in the names.

I very rarely use 'exact' as I find that they can be too exact and not allow for spelling errors.
hope this helps

Julie
 
Thanks for the help. You were right it was Saurger, that explains why i couldnt find it. :D I was doing an exact search so it wasnt picking up Saurger. Oh well live and learn. I have now been able to trace the family back to 1851. But i guess this is when it gets harder.
Does anyone know about Essex parish records are they kept in Colchester and are they searchable on line???

you should, using ancestry be able to go back to 1841 :) but this will not give 'relationships' and have to be mindful that most of the ages were rounded down unless under the age of 15.

when you have got back to 1841 then you will be in the realms of the parish record...

these can be accessed online but beware, they might not be all that they seem.

you can access them on www.familysearch.org
if you do a search and find an extracted entry, this means it has been transcribed from the parish records.
If you find a SUBMITTED entry that is exactly what it means, and has more than likely been submitted BY a LDS member.
Sometimes it can be correct (the submitted entry that is,) but sometimes it can be a figment of the imagination, or somewhere inbetween.

if at all possible it is best to check the parish records for yourself, that way you know that it is correct :)
 
I am pretty sure i have now got back to 1841 but now you mention about ages being rounded up, that would explain why the ages wouldnt tally up, they always seemed to be out by a few years but all of the names would tally.I didnt know that.

Somebody told me that i can buy Parish records on CD-ROMs. But as i have no experiance in this im not sure wheres the best place to get theses, i see after searching google that there are loads of people who sell the CDs but dont know what i will get exactly ie I see Parish Records for Essex/Cambridgeshire/and Norfolk with over 250,000 entries does that mean it has all the records of all the parishes in all oth the counties?

I would like to get a CD-ROM but not to sure whos the best, or what to get
 
Joe,

this is from Ancestrys site:

About 1841 England Census

This database contains an every name index to the 1841 England Census with links to images of the original census returns. Information available in this database includes: name, age, estimated birth year, relationship to head of household.

For more information about this database, click here.

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. The following information was requested:

  • Name of street, place, road, etc.
  • House number or name
  • Name of each person that had spent the night in that household
  • Age*
  • *** (indicated by which column the age is recorded in)
  • Profession or occupation
  • Where born**
*The ages of people over 15 years old were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Therefore, someone who was actually 24 years would have their age listed as 20, and someone who was actually 27 years old would have their age listed as 25.
**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F).
Enumeration forms were distributed to all households a couple of days before census night and the complete forms were collected the next day. All responses were to reflect the individual's status as of 6 June 1841 for all individuals who had spent the night in the house. People who were traveling or living abroad were enumerated at the location where they spent the night on census night. All of the details from the individual forms were later sorted and copied into enumerators' books, which are the records we can view images of today. The original householder's schedules from 1841 to 1901 were destroyed.
The clerks who compiled and reviewed the census data made a variety of marks on the returns. Unfortunately, many of these tally marks were written over personal information and some fields, such as ages, can be difficult to read as a result. More useful marks include a single slash between households within a building and a double slash separating households in separate buildings.

you can buy specific parish records on CD rom, I have quite a few now, It just depends what area you are after, I have found by far the best way is to see if the area i'm interested in has a FHS (family history society) I check their site and see if they have transcribed any of the records I am interested in. I then go from there :)

I am just looking to see if I can find some information for you Joe for Norfolk. :)
 
Thanks for the help yet again, but its Essex im interested in Partictulary the Mistley, Bradfield , Wix areas. I have traced the Sawyer family back to Bradfield in 1841 but now am itching to see what lays beyond that.
 
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