help with children of a marriage please

[toastmaster]

hi everyone im getting stuck

i have a list of names for the children of this marriage
mary a gorman and william wynne 1935 liverpool south
dont want to post the names of the children as they would be alive
but if anyone gets the same list of children up the one born 1940 liverpool south im trying so hard to match the children of her marriage

any help much appreciated

 

[davelambert271]

List of 5 children sent by PM.

dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi
The marriage is listed in Lancs BMD, looks like a Catholic marriage.
Sorry couldn't find anything in Anc## as too late for their records.

I have 1938 Kellys/Gores if you would like me to do a look up.Not everyone is listed,
only people wo were at home on the day.
If you have an occupation for Wm it would help.
Cheers
ozn

 

[toastmaster]

hi i have just had to look what a kellys/gores is cant you tell im a beginner
what would it bring up if you did a look up

thanks for looking at my post too

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Toastmaster

Are you ok now or is there anything else you want help with? If sensitive you can send me a P.M

William/Mary married L'pool O/D 1935 ref 8b 271 (from A-----Y)

dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi Toastmaster
Gores/Kellys are street directories also include details of annals/businesses/occupations etc. Fantastic.
I only have a few of them on cd and as I said, if no one home, no record.
They only list the head of the household.
Cheers
ozn

 

[toastmaster]

hi
see i dont know much, all i know is my mums dad william lived in waverley road then soon after moved to a road by picton road L15 wavertree
his mum and dad william wynne and mary a gorman i believe lived in gainsbough road L15 near toxteth park
my mums dad was a coal merchant not sure about his dad

 

[davelambert271]

Hi

I've been trying to trace your G. grandparents, but they were born at the worst time. Just a little too early to have their mothers name on the BMD and nothing to link them to their parents. If you have any other little bits of info like where they lived, any siblings any names etc this may help. It may be an idea to get their mge cert which will give you their father's names. This is the link to the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

However I did find one record which may be your G. Grandmother.

Mary A Gorman b O/D 1911 Prescot ref 8b 1555 mother Brady. She is just too late to be on the latest census. She may have had a twin, Vincent, same birth details

I can't find a mge of Gorman to Brady but I did find this family.
1901 census

GORMAN, Patrick Head Married M 40 1861 Underground Colly Labourer Ireland
GORMAN, Alice Wife Married F 28 1873 Aldershot Wiltshire
BRADY, Catherine Mother-In-Law Widow F 44 1857 Ireland
GORMAN, William Son Single M 20 1881 Coal Miner Drawer Ireland
GORMAN, Lizzie Daughter Single F 18 1883 Ireland
GORMAN, Dinah (may be Denise) Daughter Single F 16 1885 Ireland
GORMAN, James Son Single M 14 1887 Colly Surface Labourer Ireland
GORMAN, John Son Single M 12 1889 Ormskirk Lancashire
GORMAN, Patrick Son Single M 10 1891 Lathom Lancashire
GORMAN, Michael Son Single M 8 1893 Ireland
GORMAN, Joseph Son Single M 4 1897 Ireland
GORMAN, Ellen Daughter Single F 0 (1 MOS) 1901 Skelmersdale Lancashire

RG number:RG13 Piece:3546 Folio:183 Page:6

Registration District: Ormskirk
Sub District:Lathom
Enumeration District:10
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul's Skelmersdale

Civil Parish:Skelmersdale
Address: 7, Clegg Street, Skelmersdale Lancashire

Alice is a 2nd wife, married around 1900 (can't find it, may have been in Ireland). I can find them in 1891 and on the latest, but so far not pre 1891 Pats first wife was an Elizabeth

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
1891
GORMAN, Patrick Head Married M 32 1859 Colliery Labourer Ireland
GORMAN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 36 1855 Ireland Dublin
GORMAN, William Son M 10 1881 Scholar Ireland Dublin
GORMAN, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Ireland Dublin
GORMAN, Denise Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Ireland Dublin
GORMAN, James Son M 4 1887 Scholar Ireland Dublin
GORMAN, John Cousin Single M 19 1872 Collery Labourer Ireland Wichlow
GORMAN, John Son M 0 (10M) 1891 Ireland Dublin

RG number:RG12 Piece:3043 Folio:55 Page:13

Registration District:Ormskirk
Sub District:Lathom
Enumeration District:4
Ecclesiastical Parish:Newburgh

Civil Parish:Lathom
Address: 10, Woodcock View, Lathom, Newburgh Lancashire

dave

 

[toastmaster]

wow so some are still alive
where would i start whos the best to look into, i had a little look myself before all i got was a mary a gorman born 1913 liverpool mothers maiden name courtnsy i wondered why no mothers names came up for ealier and three different william wynnes in liverpool 1910 1914 and 1916 the one in 1910 no maiden name and the other two one was hard to read
william wynne 1914 mother looks like uleneross and the other was
william wynne 1916 mother wynne
thats all i managed
all we have been told is my mums dad william wynnes parents william wynne and mary lived in gainsbough road by toxteth park L15

 

[davelambert271]

wow so some are still alive
where would i start whos the best to look into, i had a little look myself before all i got was a mary a gorman born 1913 liverpool mothers maiden name courtnsy i wondered why no mothers names came up for ealier and three different william wynnes in liverpool 1910 1914 and 1916 the one in 1910 no maiden name and the other two one was hard to read
william wynne 1914 mother looks like uleneross and the other was
william wynne 1916 mother wynne
thats all i managed
all we have been told is my mums dad william wynnes parents william wynne and mary lived in gainsbough road by toxteth park L15

Hi
this is why it's a good idea to get a cert. For both William and Mary without any other info there are at least 3 possibilities for both. Mothers maiden names were not given on BMd certs before the last qtr of 1911.. Where Williams mother was given instead of a father, probably means that he was illegit. The tree I gave you for Mary, whilst fits could be wrong. In some ways I hope it is as I think it will be very hard to go further back.

dave

 

[toastmaster]

Hi
this is why it's a good idea to get a cert. For both William and Mary without any other info there are at least 3 possibilities for both. Mothers maiden names were not given on BMd certs before the last qtr of 1911.. Where Williams mother was given instead of a father, probably means that he was illegit. The tree I gave you for Mary, whilst fits could be wrong. In some ways I hope it is as I think it will be very hard to go further back.

dave

its all so interesting thankyou so much again will ask my mum to ring her uncle from her mothers side who worked on the coal with william and see if his memory can be jogged
is there anyway i can look into crimes or find out how someone died
thanks again for all your efforts dave
michelle

 

[oznannie]

Hi toastmaster
I was born in Wavertree, it's Gainsborough Rd after the famous painter.
Not Tockie Park

ozn
I get confused when you mention my Mums Dad and then his Dad.
You don't say my grandfather and my gt grandfather.
Is it because you never met them?

 

[oznannie]

Hi Have I got this right?
Your maternal grandfather lived in Waverley Rd? then moved to somewhere off Picton Rd yes?
Have you a time frame for this please?

Your grandfather's parents, your gt grandees lived in Gainsborough Rd?
Have you also a time for this please?
I'm not familiar with your Cody family, you'll have to "fill me in"about Frances.

If you want news of crimes etc, I think you would have to go Lpool R.O or Echo archives.
Nothing in old papers from 1900.
Unless you know the person who died and we can look in index.

ozn

 

[toastmaster]

Hi Have I got this right?
Your maternal grandfather lived in Waverley Rd? then moved to somewhere off Picton Rd yes?
Have you a time frame for this please?

Your grandfather's parents, your gt grandees lived in Gainsborough Rd?
Have you also a time for this please?
I'm not familiar with your Cody family, you'll have to "fill me in"about Frances.

If you want news of crimes etc, I think you would have to go Lpool R.O or Echo archives.
Nothing in old papers from 1900.
Unless you know the person who died and we can look in index.

ozn

hi oznannie
yes my granddad lived in 11 waverley road it was a cottage think there was about 4 of them
and my great grandparents lived in gainsborough road
will send you a pm with some details of frances my nan