Help With Irish Ancestry

[Deer243]

I've been trying for a long time to try and get my Irish ancestry further back but with no success, if someone could help I would be very grateful.

I've got back to a Patrick Dillon/Dillan who was born somewhere in Ireland (no one in my family knows whereabouts and no census returns or records provide any clues). Patrick had a son, also called Patrick who was born in Ireland in about 1819-1822 (censuses give his date of birth as either 1821 and 1822 and his sons marriage certificate gives it as 1819) and moved to Manchester at some stage prior to his marriage in 1849 to an Ann Burns (also born in Ireland).

I have also discovered in the 1851 census that Patrick Dillon was living with his wife Ann at the same address as a Luke Dillon who was born in Ireland in about 1813. Luke is shown on the census as being married to a Mary Dillon (also born in Ireland). Given that Luke and Patrick were living together it seems very likely that the two were related in some way.

I know that without a place of origin to go on Irish research is very difficult but I had been wondering if finding a county in Ireland where there was a Patrick Dillon born to a Patrick Dillon born at the right time as well as a Luke Dillon being born in the same county at the right time as well if this might give me something to go on?

 

[horse]

Hi

Welcome to the site.

Good luck with your research.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not sure how helpful this is..

Luke's eldest dau. is Barbara, from the 1851 census, if that is the case, this could be his marriage and Barbara's birth:

2x Mary so not too helpful
Marriages Q1 1839
BURGESS Elizabeth
DILLON Luke
DUNN Joseph
HANNAH James
HITCHEN Elizabeth
MAHONY Mary
O'Neal Mary
ROWLEY Thomas
Manchester
Vol 20, Page 497

Births Q4 1839
Dillon Barbara
Manchester
20, 527

Possible for 1841
Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Manchester
County: Lancashire
RD: Manchester
Sub-RD: Deansgate
ED: 43; HO107; Piece: 570; Book: 20; Folio: 30; Page: 16

Luke Dillon 25 [b. Ireland. Labourer]
Mary Dillon 25 [b. Ireland]
Barberg Dillon 1 [b. Lancashire]
Patrick Conley 35 [b. Ireland. Labourer]
Margrat Conley 40 [b. Lancashire]
Ann Conley 10 [do]

Geoff

 

[Ladybird1300]

Could this be your Patrick Dillon ??

Name: Pat Dillon
Parish: Grangegeeth, Monknewtown, Dowth, and Rathkenny
Diocese: Meath
County: Meath
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1821
Father's name: Patk Dillon
Mother's name: Biddy Gooden
Sponsor Witness 1: Pat Callaghan
Sponsor Witness 2: Ann Varden

Name: Luke Dillon
Parish: Grangegeeth, Monknewtown, Dowth, and Rathkenny
Diocese: Meath
County: Meath
Baptism Date: 27 Mar 1819
Father's name: Wm Dillon
Mother's name: Mary Gorman
Sponsor Witness 1: Austin Maury
Sponsor Witness 2: Ann Mullen

Well this baptism is in the same place albeit different parents, and he could have been a young child when he was baptised


Amanda

 

[Deer243]

Thank you both Geoff and Amanda for your help.

Amanda, was Meath the only county where there was a Patrick Dillon born to a Patrick Dillon and a Luke Dillon born there as well in the right sort of time period?

I suppose if Luke had been a cousin of Patrick (rather than a brother) that would explain why the baptism records shows him having different parents.

If I manage to confirm this link how much further back can I expect to get as I expect records will start to dry out after 1800?

Also, can you think of any other methods I could use to work out which part of Ireland the Dillons came from? I've been through the census, bmd certificates and obviously asked relatives but with no luck.

 

[Ellie7]

I would try looking for a Poor Relief record from Manchester. Seems they can be viewed at FindmyPast.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/4...studies/3812/poor_law_and_workhouse_records/1

Ellie

 

[Ladybird1300]

There are other Patrick's with father called Patrick, but Luke is unusual, it's the only one I could see, of course it's possible some records could be missing
Yes beyond 1800 is less likely, it depends on the the Parish. They were determined not to be forced to keep records by the British government at the time.
I have a few Irish names in my tree, but because they came to the UK before 1800 or early 19th century, I doubt I will find many records.

Amanda