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Help With Old Documents


I am just looking thought some of the old documents that I managed to get from an orphanage in Bristol which were about my great x 2 grandfather who was admitted in the 1850's.

Most of the documents are fairly easy to read however there are some bits that I am really struggling with and wondered if there was anyone who could help me. Not sure if the information will be of use to me however you never know.

Can anyone help with the following please?



Also - there appears to be two dates on the attached certificate which is a little odd, there is a date of marriage on the certificate however there is another date which is 9 years later at the bottom - what's this all about as I have never seen this before?

Easy one really.;)

1). Ann Madge, present at the death, Cox Street, Bideford. (Informant).??

2). Mary Ann Williams.

3). The marriage cert is a certifide (faithful copy), copy of the original, which the date signifies. Maybe for reasons of a pension, or something of that nature.

your a legend fella. Thanks.

Feel a bit silly now but I really could not make it out and I was thinking that perhaps it was another line of enquiry that's all .

Cheers again.

No worries. If you've never come across a certifide cert before, it will raise questions.
I have two of those, one for my grandparents marriage, and a birth cert for my grandmother. That was for her access to her husbands pension(my Grandfather), after he died.

No such thing as silly......and I'm a classic for that.:rolleyes:

The certificate is just a standard certificate one would get when applying in 1950.
The one shown was for a church wedding and was purchased from the church rather than from the GRO or from the Superintendent Registrar (the more normal routes used today).

I expect every family historian has numerous certified copies without even thinking about them (every certificate is a certified copy of an entry in a register. Those purchased at the time of the event have a date that tallies with that of the event, more modern ones have a later date).

This is why the often quoted myth that there are no certificates before 1837 is total and utter rubbish.

See http://anguline.co.uk/cert/marriage.html

There are thousands of pre 1837 certificates floating around and if one really wants a certificate of a pre 1837 event they can be bought for £10 for a marriage, birth or death certificate or £13 for a baptism or burial certificate.

Note if you want a certificate which notes the birth and baptism or the death and burial (which can be obtained if the register records the events) be sure to specify that is what is required as some vicars will only copy one or the other event.

Most family historians do not bother with buying certificate for these pre 1837 events as it is easy to view the original registers and make a copy oneself.

Yes I have an original certificate from 1802 for my 4x g grandparents, I didn't know you could still get them, useful to know.