Henry Arthur Barnett

[jood]

I've been away recently and can't remember if I have posted this before (is there a way to look up threads you've posted?)

Henry Arthur Barnett was born about 1866 London, England - I wondered if he was in the 1871 census? Very little to go on, I know.

I'm told Barnett was a very good barber in Fleet Street, (probably his father) if that is any help, although his death certificate shows his father to be Edward, mother's first name not known, surname I have seen spelt Rutherford & Rugtherford and that he was a retired baker. Maybe his grandfather was the barber?

Wonder if there is a marriage for Edward then?

The fleet street barber is actual fact tho.

 

[gibbo]

Hi jood,

A maybe

Name Henry Arthur Barnett
Christening Date 1865
Christening Place BRIGHTON, SUSSEX, ENGLAND
Father's Name Edward Henry Barnett
Mother's Name Ann

 

[gibbo]

Name: Edward Henry Barnett
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1860
Registration District: Brighton
County: Sussex
Event Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Volume: 2B
Page: 266
Line Number: 25

Edward Henry Barnett probably married one of the following people
Name: Ann Rutherford
Name: Ann Stevens

 

[jood]

That sounds good Gibbo as I had mentioned the mother's maiden name as Rutherford on the death certificate. Do Edward and Ann show up on earlier censuses before Henry was born, or in the 1861 census or 1881 census when he would have been 17? I know he moved to Australia in or about 1886.

Do you know of a site where I could see the barbers of Fleet Street in the 1800s?

 

[gibbo]

Free bmd

Births Jun 1865
Barnett Henry Arthur St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1a 296

 

[jood]

That sounds good Gibbo as I had mentioned the mother's maiden name as Rutherford on the death certificate. Do Edward and Ann show up on earlier censuses before Henry was born, or in the 1861 census or 1881 census when he would have been 17? I know he moved to Australia in or about 1886.

Do you know of a site where I could see the barbers of Fleet Street in the 1800s?

Looking good, still - thanks gibbo

 

[davelambert271]

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

34, George Street, Brighton, Sussex, England

Robert Rutherford Head Married Male 55 1806 Market Clerks Scotland

Frances Rutherford Wife Married Female 52 1809 - Broadwater, Sussex

George Rutherford Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Gasfitter Brighton, Sussex

Adelaide Rutherford Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 Scholar Brighton, Sussex

Edward H Barnett Son In Law Married Male 21 1840 Hairdresser Brighton, Sussex (would actually be 19)

Ann Barnett Daughter Married Female 23 1838 Dressmaker Brighton, Sussex

Frances E Barnett Granddaughter - Female 7m 1860 - Brighton, Sussex

Piece number 592
Folio number 127
Page numbe 9

 

[davelambert271]

1871
2 Agnes Terr, Wandsworth

Piece: 711
Folio: 41
Page Number: 41

Edward H Barrett 29 Brighton Hairdresser
Ann Barrett 35 Brighton
Francis E Barrett 10 Brighton
Edwd R R Barrett 7 Middlesex
Henry A Barrett 5 Middlesex
Horace Barrett 3 Battersea
Fredk G Barrett 1 Wandsworth
Robert Rutherford 31 Brighton, B.I.Law, Schoolmaster

 

[davelambert271]

1881

78 Dean St, Westminster

Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho

Piece: 130
Folio: 95
Page Number: 35

Edward H. Barnett 39 Brighton, hairdresser
Frances Barnett 20 Brighton
Henry Barnett 15 Pimlico Engine cleaner
Horace Barnett 13 Wandsworth
Frederick Barnett 11 Wandsworth
Edith Barnett 6 Wandesworth
Elizabeth Barnett 67 mother islington

 

[davelambert271]

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Clarence Place, Brighton, Sussex, England (lodging house)

Edward H Barnett Head Married Male 49 1802 Linen Draper Gosport, Hampshire
Elizabeth Barnett Wife Married Female 36 1815 Millener London, Middlesex
Thornton J Barnett Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Brighton, Sussex
Edward H Barnett Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Brighton, Sussex
Ellen E Barnett Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Brighton, Sussex
Arther W Barnett Son - Male 5 1846 Scholar Brighton, Sussex
Frederick I Barnett Son - Male 3 1848 At Home Brighton, Sussex
Isabella Barnett Daughter - Female 1 1850 At Home Brighton, Sussex

 

[jood]

Wow Dave, you are moving along. Thank you! - but why did you say that in the 1881 census something was wrong?

Is 78 Dean St, Westminster

Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho a long way from Sussex. ??

At least Edward is a hairdresser?

Thanks for letting me know how to find my threads. I knew there would be something somewhere.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
you will notice I removed the bit about an error. I made the error, as I was thinking Henry had emigrated before the 1881 census which showed him still in UK. Once I re-read the thread I realised I had got the emigration date wrong.

I think the addresses on the census show Edward jnr was a hairdresser in central London.
Edward snr was born Gosport (Portsmouth), his wife was from London. They had their children a bit further up the coast in Brighton

Their son Edward Jnr married Ann from Brighton. They had one child Frances, in that town, then moved to London. In those days, most of central London apart from the actual City of London was in Middlesex reg district, i.e Islington, Pimlico, and Westminster. Soho in Westminster, was a thriving entertainment centre, including establishments to service the seedy side of ilfe. but after the 1980's became a thriving business area with up market cafe's and residential areas.. (It still has its *** shops but you could say more up market). Battersea and Wandsworth are just over the river, so all places he lived in London, or his children were born, are within easy reach of Fleet St. Fleet St is in the City and is where all the newspapers had their offices. They probably didn't live where he worked.

Brighton is in Sussex, on the south coast. It is approx. 50 miles from central London, Soho is in central London

dave

 

[jood]

Thanks Dave, I really appreciate all this.

With regard to the 1871 census (below)
1871
2 Agnes Terr, Wandsworth

Piece: 711
Folio: 41
Page Number: 41

Edward H Barrett 29 Brighton Hairdresser
Ann Barrett 35 Brighton
Francis E Barrett 10 Brighton
Edwd R R Barrett 7 Middlesex
Henry A Barrett 5 Middlesex
Horace Barrett 3 Battersea
Fredk G Barrett 1 Wandsworth
Robert Rutherford 31 Brighton, B.I.Law, Schoolmaster

Did it actually show Barrett (not Barnett) - it definitely is the same family though.

 

[davelambert271]

yes, it is not a mis-transcription, the actual record does read Barrett. Obviously an error though, maybe it was a Rutherford who made the return and he got the name wrong

 

[jood]

yes, it is not a mis-transcription, the actual record does read Barrett. Obviously an error though, maybe it was a Rutherford who made the return and he got the name wrong

Fair enough Dave, we know it's the right family anyway.

I've now found the marriages of Edward Barnett Jnr & Snr

I am very grateful to have that much information, so thanks again.

I guess I could find the deaths, too - but not tonight!