Henry/Harry EDWARDES

[DaveHam9]

NSW Marriage 1716/1905 EDWARDS HENRY - NUGENT CLARA G - MARRICKVILLE

NSW Death 14181/1919 EDWARDS CLARA G - JOHN - ISABEL - REDFERN

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 19 July 1919 p.10
DEATHS
EDWARDS.-July 18, 1919, at her residence, 8 Daphne-street, Botany, Clara Garfield Edwards, eldest daugher of Mrs. Isabell Nugent, of Diana, Australia-street, Newtown, aged 52 years. At rest.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 19 July 1919 p.9
FUNERALS
EDWARDS.-The Relatives and Friends of CLARA GARFIELD, dearly beloved Wife of Henry Edwards, are kindly invited to attend her funeral, to move from her residence, 8 Daphne-street, Botany, THIS (Saturday) AFTERNOON, at 1.30, for Presbyterian Cemetery, Rookwood. Funeral train leaves Mortuary Station, Regent street, city, at 2.55.
W. N. BULL, Funeral Director.

Presbyterian 3B 0005726 EDWARDS CLARA G 17 Jul 1919 ** date is an error **

Henry/Harry died ? Not buried with Clara.

Inscription for Jack Edwardes
Cemetery: Perthville Uniting Church
Family Name: Edwardes
Given Names: Jack
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1907
Death Date: 13 Oct 1985
Age:
Remarks: son/Harry & Clara G; h/Georgina Victoria (née Furner); father
Portion:
Row:

 

[Bootzy]

Hi Dave,

NSW BMD has a Jack B Edwards b 1907 Waterloo to Harry & Clara and also
1905 Vera MCI at Glebe – Henry & Clara G – married Edward Perry 1932 Wallsend in SMH Sat 26 Nov 1932 PERRY – EDWARDS Oct 24 1932 at St Enochs Presbyterian Church Newtown by the Rev T Mathers, Vera M of Newtown eldest daughter of the late Mrs Edwards and Mr Henry Edwards of Botany to Edward youngest son of Mrs M J Perry and the late John Perry, Minmi – Vera McIntosh Perry died 1973 Newcastle – correct parents

Then Jack Brooks 1907 – he died 1919 - Redfern
1909 Angus A at Waterloo – Harry & Clara G – Angus Arthur Edwards died 25 March 1963 Qld – married a Doris Wills Squire, she died 22 Jan 1964 Qld parents Hilton Bell & Esther Wills Thompson
1911 Mary I at Waterloo – Henry & Clara G – died 1912 Redfern
1912 Stella J at Redfern – Henry & Clara G – Stella Jane m John Robert Anderson 1948 Annandale? – 1980 shows on ERs at Kensington North, Ryerson has death 29 Jan 1998 age 85 at Sacred Heart Hospice late of Kensington in Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 31 Jan 1998

So if Henry/Harry married Clara 1905 and she died 1919, reckon Henry/Harry remarried but so many on BMDs...
regards
Val

 

[gibbo]

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Thursday 28 December 1939
EDWARDS - Dec 21 1939 passed away at his daughter's residence, Minmi, Henry Edwards late of Botany, aged 78 years. Beloved father and father in law of Vera and Edward Perry, Minmi, Stella, Angus and Hugh. Loved grandpa of Diana Perry. Privately cremated Beresfield, Newscastle 22/12/1939

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17635934?

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Val,

Thank you very much.

All of that throws up a few questions.

Inscription for Jack Edwardes
Cemetery: Perthville Uniting Church
Family Name: Edwardes
Given Names: Jack
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1907
Death Date: 13 Oct 1985
Age:
Remarks: son/Harry & Clara G; h/Georgina Victoria (née Furner); father
Portion:
Row:

That would seem to point to this marriage for Jack's parents:

1716/1905 EDWARDS HENRY - NUGENT CLARA G - MARRICKVILLE

Yet we have:
Birth 30397/1907 EDWARDS JACK B - HARRY - CLARA G - WATERLOO
Death 6144/1919 EDWARDS JACK B - HENRY - CLARA G - REDFERN

So no birth reg for the Jack who married Georgina.

Sometime between 1943 and 1949 the name changes:

1943 NSW Electoral Roll - Macquarie - Rockley
EDWARDS Jack, Shire Hall, clerk
EDWARDS Georgina Victoria, Shire Hall, home duties

1949 & 1954 NSW Electoral Roll - Macquarie - Georges Plains
EDWARDES Jack, Bathurst road, Perthville, shire clerk
EDWARDES Georgina Victoria, Bathurst road, Perthville, home duties


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

So that means one born after 1913 (Hugh) but possibly no 2nd marriage.

No mention of a son Jack.

Something does not add up.

We have a birth and a death for a Jack B. We have a cemetery inscription listing parents of the Jack in my tree as being Harry & Clara G.

Do we have 2x Harry/Henry & Clara G. ??

 

[gibbo]

Clara died 1919 same year as Jack B. So maybe Clara died in childbirth and the child survived and was named Jack after the one who died 1919.

We need to find out how old the Jack who died in 1985.

With the reg. numbers can you tell who died first?

6144/1919 EDWARDS JACK B HENRY CLARA G REDFERN

14181/1919 EDWARDS CLARA G JOHN ISABEL REDFERN

 

[DaveHam9]

Inscription reads as this:

Birth Date: 22 Nov 1907

No service record for a Jack Edwards born any time in 1907.

They use a different sequence for births and deaths but both start January and increase as the year progresses. The difference is large enough to probably say Clara died several months later.

Neither in Ryerson.

We know Clara was 17 or 18 July.

 

[DaveHam9]

Also curious not even in same section.

Presbyterian 3B 0005726 EDWARDS CLARA G 17 Jul 1919 ?

Presbyterian 4A 0003413 EDWARDS JACK B 05 Jun 1919


It's more than 2 + 2 = 5 now.

The only Edwards in 3B and the only Edwards in 4A.

 

[gibbo]

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Friday 6 June 1919

EDWARDS.--The Relatives and Friends, of Mr. and Mrs. H. EDWARDS are kindly Invited to attend The Funeral of their dearly-loved eldest SON, Jack Brooks; to leave their residence. 8 Daphne-street, Botany, THIS (Friday) MORNING, at 8.45, for the Presbyterian Cemetery, Rookwood, via Mortuary
Station. W N BULL Funeral Director

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15841951?

8 Daphne-street .. Same address as Clara's death notice.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

What have we missed?

 

[gibbo]

Inscription for Jack Edwardes
Cemetery: Perthville Uniting Church
Family Name: Edwardes
Given Names: Jack
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1907
Death Date: 13 Oct 1985
Age:
Remarks: son/Harry & Clara G; h/Georgina Victoria (née Furner); father
Portion:
Row:

Is this the family your chasing? Georgina's in laws?

 

[DaveHam9]

I have that burial for the Jack with a 1907 dob who married:

9272/1937 EDWARDES JACK - FURNER GEORGINA VICTORIA - JUNEE

and I have them together in E/R as Edwards and Edwardes,

and working from the parents as listed we seem to find that the son Jack they had died in 1919.

So how can it fit?

The 1907 birth date is wrong and that had another son after Hugh? But why no mention of this 2nd Jack or mention of sister-in-law Georgina ??

The birth date is correct but the parents as listed are wrong ??

 

[DaveHam9]

I thought I had the right birth reg until Val rightly pointed out Jack B died in 1919.

Georgina was born in 1914.

NSW Birth 3971/1914 FURNER GEORGINA V - EDWARD H - MARIA K - WAGGA WAGGA


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The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 6 May 1939 p.16
BIRTHS
EDWARDES (nee Gene Furner).-April 8, at Bambridge private hospital Coolamon, to Mr. and Mrs. Jack Edwardes- a daughter (Georgina Victoria May).

 

[DaveHam9]

Is it possible Jack was born 1907 in Victoria to a 2nd Henry/Harry & Clara G ??

EDWARDS Jack Obituary 18DEC1985 Publication at Bathurst Nursing Home, formerly of Wedderburn, Victoria, Wagga, Coolamon, Rockley and Perthville Western Advocate (Bathurst) 18DEC1985

1937 is the earliest I have him. He was a shire clerk.

1937 NSW Electoral Roll - Riverina - Coolamon
EDWARDS Jack, Shire Hall, Coolamon, clerk

1943 NSW Electoral Roll - Macquarie - Rockley
EDWARDS Jack, Shire Hall, clerk
EDWARDS Georgina Victoria, Shire Hall, home duties

He would not appear in E/R until 1928.

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: Jack Edwards
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1930
State: New South Wales
District: Riverina
Subdistrict: Coolamon

Shire Hall, Coolamon, clerk

E/R is no help for us.

Only clue left is Wedderburn, Vic.

 

[Bootzy]

Hi All,
I'm having a problem with Trove at the moment so cant go find anything..
Off NSW BMDs
Clara G Edwards death 1919 Redfern has parents John & Isabel – she was born Newtown 1867 to John Nugent & Isabella, would make her 52 yrs of age.

A death for a John W B Nugent same parents 1933 Annandale NSW born in 1861 Sydney

Mother Isabella died 1923 Newtown – parents John W & Jean

John Nugent married Isabella Brooks 1861 Sydney

Was going to try and find Isabella Nugents death as well as son John's death 1933
regards
Val

 

[Bootzy]

John Nugent married Isabella Brooks 1861 Sydney

Mother Isabella died 1923 Newtown – parents John W & Jean
Father John Nugent b 18 Nov 1837 Sydney to John Nugent ( a convict) & Catherine Gregg

John and Isabella Nugent nee Brooks had children:
John W B Nugent 1861 – 1933
Dianna Nugent 1864 – 1866
Clara Garfield Nugent 1867 – 1919 married Henry Edwards 1905 Sydney
Angus Nugent 1869 – 1958 – married Mabel Eleanor Bisby 13 Aug 1902 Sydney
Catherine M Nugent 1872 - ?
Arthur Hugh Nugent 1875 – 1903
Isabella Jane Nugent 1879 – 1945 – married Reginald George S Lindley 1907 Sydney

regards
Val

 

[gibbo]

Do we have 2x Harry/Henry & Clara G. ??

Yes i think we do.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks for looking Val.

It's possible that family NSW is not the right one if we in fact have 2x Heney/Gary & Clara G.

It's looking more as if the Jack who married Georgina was born 1907 in Victoria.

Dave

 

[Bootzy]

Hi Dave,
Aust Birth Index on Ancestry has a Jack B Edwards b 1907 Waterloo NSW reg no:30397 to Harry Edwards & Clara G
and his death in 1919 has Jack B Edwards at Redfern on Reg no: 6144 - parents Henry & Clara G.
regards
Val