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Hi, some while ago you posted that you wanted information on a Harberton, Devon marriage in 1799. This was between William Dolling and Elizabeth Price. In the actual marriage record it states that William Dolling WAS of the parish of TRUSHAM. Is this the confirmation your were seeking? I don't know how far you got with your research. The couple had three children baptised in Trusham but William died in 1813, his age was given as 42. I am trying to trace a link to my great great great Grandfather William Dolling, base born in Trusham in 1824. I wondered if Elizabeth Dolling nee Price was his mother, a long shot I know. She had her first child in 1800. If she was only 20 years of age then she would be 44 in 1824. I cannot find any other Elizabeth Dollings of child bearing age in 1824 who fit the criterior. After 1813 the Dolling name disappears from Trusham records until the 1841 census when Martha and Thomas appear as workers, both I believe born in Kingsteignton. William born 1824 is not apparent in the 1841 census but reappears in 1851 having married Elizabeth Rabjohns. The three children born 1800 - 1809 Mary, Susanna and John all end up in Kingsteignton turning up in marriage and census records. When William married in 1849 his fathers name ....James Vines (a miner) appears on the certificate. Of course Elizabeth Dolling could have remarried not long after 1813 and taken her children to live elsewhere.
Thanks, John. It looks very much as if the William Dolling/Elizabeth Price is the marriage I want. I am still a bit about confused by the geography - Trusham to Harberton is some 20 miles and William was a shoemaker, not the sort of occupation that incurs a great deal of travelling I would have thought. It would be interesting to know the connection.
I have not researched the family to any great extent although I think I have found another child of William and Elizabeth. Jenny, baptised 13 Sept 1812. Trusham.( The Trusham OPC told me that many of the family were baptised in Drewsteignton)
I have the baptism of William 1824. I agree, he could be Elizabeth Price's son (just). Incidentally he was also a shoemaker. Coincident or what?
Mary Dolling(1800), married my 3xgreat grandfather.
Regards
Vic
PS I see a William Dolling was baptised in Lustleigh on 26 January 1772. Only 6 miles from Trusham. A possible connection?
I have not researched the family to any great extent although I think I have found another child of William and Elizabeth. Jenny, baptised 13 Sept 1812. Trusham.( The Trusham OPC told me that many of the family were baptised in Drewsteignton)
I have the baptism of William 1824. I agree, he could be Elizabeth Price's son (just). Incidentally he was also a shoemaker. Coincident or what?
Mary Dolling(1800), married my 3xgreat grandfather.
Regards
Vic
PS I see a William Dolling was baptised in Lustleigh on 26 January 1772. Only 6 miles from Trusham. A possible connection?
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Hi Vic,
Missed the 1812 baptism of Jenny Dollings!. Should have used name variations in the search. The spacing of the baptism/births suggests that there were other children born in between who were not baptised or the paper work lost, or their place of baptism (another parish) not on the records system. 1800,1806,1809 and 1812? Was there another daughter Elizabeth? Could she have been the mother of William born in 1824? I can find no Dolling baptisms in Drewsteignton. But there is a marriage of an Elizabeth Dolling in Hennock in 1832. She married a John Hannaford of Widecombe.(not sure of the Widecombe writing not clear). Hennock is an adjoining parish to Trusham. It did seem strange that none of the four children were given their parents first names. No William nor Elizabeth.
A trawl through the census has proved fruitless so far. 1841 being difficult as no place of birth recorded.
So was William, born 1824, a grandchild of William and Elizabeth who married in 1799. Cordwaining is an occupation which is passed down through families it seems. Where was William born 1824 in 1841? Did his mother marry and was he given his stepfathers name which he used until he popped up to get married in 1849 and then the census of 1851
Regards
John
Missed the 1812 baptism of Jenny Dollings!. Should have used name variations in the search. The spacing of the baptism/births suggests that there were other children born in between who were not baptised or the paper work lost, or their place of baptism (another parish) not on the records system. 1800,1806,1809 and 1812? Was there another daughter Elizabeth? Could she have been the mother of William born in 1824? I can find no Dolling baptisms in Drewsteignton. But there is a marriage of an Elizabeth Dolling in Hennock in 1832. She married a John Hannaford of Widecombe.(not sure of the Widecombe writing not clear). Hennock is an adjoining parish to Trusham. It did seem strange that none of the four children were given their parents first names. No William nor Elizabeth.
A trawl through the census has proved fruitless so far. 1841 being difficult as no place of birth recorded.
So was William, born 1824, a grandchild of William and Elizabeth who married in 1799. Cordwaining is an occupation which is passed down through families it seems. Where was William born 1824 in 1841? Did his mother marry and was he given his stepfathers name which he used until he popped up to get married in 1849 and then the census of 1851
Regards
John
You have re-awakened my interest in the Dollings and I have been having a fresh look at them.
I presume your 3xgreat grandfather, William, is shown as "fatherless" on his marriage certificate, leading you to deduce he was the son of Elizabeth. Interestingly William and Martha also had a son William baptised in 1824 and yet, after a rather admittedly superficial search. I can only find one matching entry in both 1841 and 1851, when logic dictates there should be two. Strange.
Family Search has a record of a marriage, by licence, between Edward Binmore and Jane Dolling, age 21, of Kingsteignton, in Exeter in 1833. The name is recorded/transcribed as Benmore on the censuses. Her year of birth is consistently 1812 and although her place of birth is given as Kingsteignton in 1851, it appears as Trusham in 1861. I think this is "Jenny" born Trusham 1812.
PS. I have just found a William DOLING, age 15, shoemakers apprentice, living in household headed by Robert Cleave, farmer, "Tucketts", Exminster. (Trusham civil parish) in 1841. Source - FreeCen. Could that be your 3xgreat grandfather?
PPS. I've just re-read you original post and noticed the mention of Jame Vines.
I presume your 3xgreat grandfather, William, is shown as "fatherless" on his marriage certificate, leading you to deduce he was the son of Elizabeth. Interestingly William and Martha also had a son William baptised in 1824 and yet, after a rather admittedly superficial search. I can only find one matching entry in both 1841 and 1851, when logic dictates there should be two. Strange.
Family Search has a record of a marriage, by licence, between Edward Binmore and Jane Dolling, age 21, of Kingsteignton, in Exeter in 1833. The name is recorded/transcribed as Benmore on the censuses. Her year of birth is consistently 1812 and although her place of birth is given as Kingsteignton in 1851, it appears as Trusham in 1861. I think this is "Jenny" born Trusham 1812.
PS. I have just found a William DOLING, age 15, shoemakers apprentice, living in household headed by Robert Cleave, farmer, "Tucketts", Exminster. (Trusham civil parish) in 1841. Source - FreeCen. Could that be your 3xgreat grandfather?
PPS. I've just re-read you original post and noticed the mention of Jame Vines.
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Something else to tie things up.
1851.
Edward Benmore 56 b Kingsteignton
Jane Benmore 39 b Kingsteignton
Children including -
John Price Benmore 2 b Kingsteinton
Living Bickford Terrace, Newton Abbot/ Kingsteignton.
GRO Index-
John Price Benmore. Jun 1849. Newton Abbot. Mmn Dolling.
Confirms William/Elizabeth Price marriage and identity of Jenny/Jane Dolling/Binmore/Benmore.
1851.
Edward Benmore 56 b Kingsteignton
Jane Benmore 39 b Kingsteignton
Children including -
John Price Benmore 2 b Kingsteinton
Living Bickford Terrace, Newton Abbot/ Kingsteignton.
GRO Index-
John Price Benmore. Jun 1849. Newton Abbot. Mmn Dolling.
Confirms William/Elizabeth Price marriage and identity of Jenny/Jane Dolling/Binmore/Benmore.
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Hi Vic,
Williams Trusham baptism entry reads Base Born to Elizabeth Dolling.
His Marriage entry gives his father as James Vines.
I could not trace a marriage for Jenny, but I saw the Jane entry and concluded they were one and the same. I do wonder if the parson or curate at this time could not spell. Jenny Wyatt was baptised at about this time but is called Jane when she married. Coincidence? Perhaps not.
William or Thomas? Trusham.com has transcripts of census baptisms burials and marriages. They plump for Thomas. Not at Tucketts though but just living in the village with the Chamberlin family an apprentice cordwainer. Ancestry.com plump for Thomas as well. The original is very faint but it looks more like Thomas than William. In 1841 Martha Doling was a servant at Trusham rectory. She is shown as 20 years of age. she, I think was born in Kingsteignton and had a brother called Thomas who was born 1825 ish. I thought they were probably brother and sister. Kingsteignton seems a common denominator.
Regards
John
Williams Trusham baptism entry reads Base Born to Elizabeth Dolling.
His Marriage entry gives his father as James Vines.
I could not trace a marriage for Jenny, but I saw the Jane entry and concluded they were one and the same. I do wonder if the parson or curate at this time could not spell. Jenny Wyatt was baptised at about this time but is called Jane when she married. Coincidence? Perhaps not.
William or Thomas? Trusham.com has transcripts of census baptisms burials and marriages. They plump for Thomas. Not at Tucketts though but just living in the village with the Chamberlin family an apprentice cordwainer. Ancestry.com plump for Thomas as well. The original is very faint but it looks more like Thomas than William. In 1841 Martha Doling was a servant at Trusham rectory. She is shown as 20 years of age. she, I think was born in Kingsteignton and had a brother called Thomas who was born 1825 ish. I thought they were probably brother and sister. Kingsteignton seems a common denominator.
Regards
John
Hi, I have found this forum today after finding possible connection in Trusham.
I am a direct descendant of the base born William, having had no luck finding origin of his mother, I decided that Elizabeth had come to Trusham to hide her condition. The conclusion I came to was that she was the Elizabeth from Yarcombe, one of twins, and I had an idea that shoe making was mentioned. Not being very happy with the idea I'd left it to search another branch of the family.
In the last few days a search of Elizabeth Dolling brought up a marriage in Ottery St Mary on 4 Jul 1830 between John Carnell and Elizabeth Dolling. Witnesses named as Thomas Carnell, Jane Dolling and Mary Ann Carnell.
Census records show them living in OSM and that Elizabeth was @ 3 years older than John, in 1851 she was 47 and birth place given as Trusham.
This would give her a birth year of @ 1804 and a candidate for the mother of William b1824.
Reading the exchange between you Brentor Boy, other than John in Kingsteignton, I had not come across any other Dollings born in Trusham at about this time so more for me to search.
I am a direct descendant of the base born William, having had no luck finding origin of his mother, I decided that Elizabeth had come to Trusham to hide her condition. The conclusion I came to was that she was the Elizabeth from Yarcombe, one of twins, and I had an idea that shoe making was mentioned. Not being very happy with the idea I'd left it to search another branch of the family.
In the last few days a search of Elizabeth Dolling brought up a marriage in Ottery St Mary on 4 Jul 1830 between John Carnell and Elizabeth Dolling. Witnesses named as Thomas Carnell, Jane Dolling and Mary Ann Carnell.
Census records show them living in OSM and that Elizabeth was @ 3 years older than John, in 1851 she was 47 and birth place given as Trusham.
This would give her a birth year of @ 1804 and a candidate for the mother of William b1824.
Reading the exchange between you Brentor Boy, other than John in Kingsteignton, I had not come across any other Dollings born in Trusham at about this time so more for me to search.
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