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Hilder & styles

DaveHam9

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Hello,

principal's name: Moses Hilder
estimated birth year: 1815
age in years: 24 ? [31]
native place of principal: Mountfield, Sussex, England
father's name: James Hilder
mother's name: Mary Tellans

spouse's name: Elizabeth Hilder
native place of spouse: Rolvenden, Kent, England
spouse's father's name: William Styles
spouse's mother's name: Elizabeth Pollington

ship: Susan
date of arrival: 10 Mar 1839
volume: 25
gs number: 416873
dgs number: 4117085
image number: 02044

Moses Occ: Farm labourer Rel: Wesly Age: 24y ? [31] 11 May R/W: Yes Native Place: Mountfield, Sussex
Father: James HILDER Mother: Mary TELLANS (dau of John there)
Elizabeth Occ: Cook Age: 25y 4 July R/W: Yes Native Place: Rolvenden, Kent
Father: William STYLES (lbr) Mother: Elizabeth POLLINGTON (dau of Norman, coachman)


I've had no luck with either marriage. Age for Moses is about 6 years out. He was born 1808.

Regards,

Dave

EDIT: The system has again turned upper case into lower case.
 
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Age on shipping record is way out. I wonder what else is wrong.

name: Moses Hilder
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Jun 1808
baptism/christening place: Sussex, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Hilder
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04127-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1894273
reference number: 22
 
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Hi Dave,

The Camden Historical Society sent me out some info on the Hilder family recently. Details that they have given me:

Moses Hilder
Born: 11 May 1808 in Mountfield, Sussex, England
Baptised: 26th June 1808
Father: James Hilder
Mother: Mary DOLLIDGE (daughter of George Gladman & Ruth Dollidge)
Married: Elizabeth Styles
Marriage: 6 June 1833 in Mountfield, Sussex, England
Arrived: 10 March 1839 on ship Susan.
Death: 7 June 1868 in Kirkham, Camden NSW
Burial: St Johns, Camden
Cause of Death: Necrosis of Fibia.
Occupation: Farmer, Labourer,. As A in Free Person.

If Dollidge is the correct surname for Mary, unsure why she remained with her mothers name.

If you're interested, I was also provided a photo of Moses and Elizabeth.

Sam
 

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Hello Sam,

welcome to FHUK.

Thanks for the info. The baptism record shows the age for Moses as listed on the shipping record was wrong. So we have Mary TELLANS, daughter of John of Mountfield or we have Mary DOLLIDGE (daughter of George Gladman & Ruth Dollidge). :confused:

I can't find a TELLANS marriage but this one does exist:

George GLADMAN & Ruth DOLLIDGE
Marriage: 27 Aug 1778 Chiddingly, Sussex
Batch: M099681

and this baptism, which explains one part of the puzzle:

Mary DOLLIDGE c. 24 Dec 1775 Laughton, Sussex
Parents: Mother Ruth DOLLIDGE
Batch: C042331

And this one:

James HILDER & Mary DOLLIDGE
Marriage: 19 Oct 1795 Laughton, Sussex
Batch: M042331

So it seems somewhere DOLLIDGE has been transcribed as TELLANS. :rolleyes:


I can't find a William STYLES/STILES to Elizabeth (any not just POLLINGTON) marriage that fits the dates.

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Dave
 
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for the welcome!

Sorry for not picking up sooner, but had another look at the info that I was sent (75 pages on the Hilder family), but here are some extra details:

Elizabeth Styles
Father: William Styles
Mother: Elizabeth Cockrain
Born: 4 May 1813 in Rolvenden, Kent, England
Died: 11 Dec 1881 in 28 Douglas St, Redern NSW
Burial: 13 Dec 1881 in St Johns Camden, NSW
Occupation: Home Duties,. As A in Free person

Now we've got another surname to add to the confusion :confused:

Moses and Elizabeth both had 10 children, let me know if you want their details also.

Sam
 

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Hello Sam,

Thanks for that extra bit. Shipping record says 4 July so that's curious if it's 4 May. The baptism record does not have the date of birth. So another name but I can't see COCKRAIN transcribed as POLLINGTON.

I can't find a marriage for Elizabeth COCKRAIN (variations) that fits.

I have the birth dates for the 10 children taken off a tree but so far no evidence to support those dates. I've just started adding the marriage and trying to find date and place of birth for each spouse. So, I guess I'd better see if you can fill in some more blanks for me. :)

Regards,

Dave
 
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Hi Dave,

Details of Moses' & Elizabeth's children:

1. Mary Hilder
  • Born: 12 Jan 1834
  • Baptised: 1 June 1834 in Laterham Mountfield, Sussex, England
  • Arrived 10 Mar 1839 on the 'Susan'
  • Spouse: William Gittoes
  • Marriage: 20 August 1849 in Vanderville, The Oaks, NSW
  • Died: 8 Feb 1887 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Burial: 10 Feb 1887 in St Johns, Camden NSW
  • Cause of Death: Congestion of the brain
  • Occupation: Home Duties,. As A in Free Person

2. Charles Hilder
  • Born: 2 Mar 1838 in Laterham, Mountfield, Sussex, England
  • Arrived: 10 Mar 1830 on the 'Susan'
  • Spouse: Mary Ann Downey
  • Marriage: 14 Feb 1861 in St Pauls Anglican Church, Cobbity, NSW.
  • Died: 10 Feb 1884 in Dubbo, NSW
  • Occupation: Farmer,. As A in Free Person

3. Amelia Hilder
  • Born: 11 Apr 1841 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Baptised: 6 June 1841 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Spouse: John Roberts
  • Marriage: 1878 in Sydney, NSW
  • Died: 9 Jul 1929 in Narellan, NSW
  • Burial: 10 July 1929 in East Narellan, NSW (St Thomas C)
  • Occupation: Home Duties

4. Harriet Hilder
  • Born: 3 Jul 1843 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Baptised: 22 Oct 1843 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Spouse: Albert Godfrey Whiteman
  • Marriage: 3 Jul 1861 in Wesleyan Methodist, Cawdor, NSW
  • Died: 27 May 1894 in Bathurst, NSW
  • Burial: 30 May 1894 in E Cemetery Bathurst, NSW
  • Occupation: Home Duties

5. Jane Hilder
  • Born: 29 Sep 1844 in The Oaks, NSW.
  • Baptised: 3 Dec 1844 in Parish of Narellan, NSW
  • Spouse: Emerson Henry Clemson
  • Marriage: 27 Aug 1873 in St Pauls Anglican Church Cobbity, NSW
  • Died: 20 Aug 1925 in Condobolin, NSW
  • Burial: Aug 1925 in E Cemetery Condobolin, NSW
  • Home Duties

6. Charlotte Hilder
  • Born: 4 Feb 1848 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Baptised: 26 Mar 1848 in St Johns Church, Camden, NSW
  • Spouse: William Running
  • Marriage: 1876 in Sydney, NSW
  • Died: 9 Nov 1913 in The Lagoon, NSW
  • Burial: Nov 1913 in E Cemetery Bathurst, NSW

7. William Hilder
  • Born: 31 Dec 1850 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Baptised: 16 Feb 1851 in Picton, NSW
  • Spouse: Mary Anne Mullane
  • Marriage: 13 Sept 1876 in St Barnabas Church, Sydney, NSW
  • Died: 26 May 1878 in Balmain, NSW
  • Burial: 26 May 1878 in E Cemetery, Rookwood, NSW (Old C)

8. Elizabeth Ann Hilder
  • Born: 1 Sept 1852 in The Oaks, NSW
  • Baptised: 17 Oct 1852 in St Marks Church, Picton, NSW
  • Spouse: Andrew Downey
  • Marriage: 31 Dec 1870 in St Pauls Anglican Church, Cobbity, NSW
  • Died: 3 Nov 1900 in Balmain, NSW
  • Occupation: Home Duties

9. James Hilder
  • Born: 15 Oct 1854 in Elderslie, NSW.
  • Baptised: 26 Nov 1854 in St Johns Church Camden, NSW
  • Died: 22 Mar 1854 in Elderslie, NSW
  • Burial: 24 Mar 1854 in St Johns Anglican
  • Occupation: Home Duties

10. George Hilder
  • Born: 20 Oct 1856
  • Baptised: 22 Oct 1856
  • Died: 22 Oct 1856 in St Johns Anglican Church, Camden, NSW
  • Burial: Oct 1856 in St Johns Anglican Church, Camden NSW
 

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Hello Sam,

Thank you very much. I'll go through it and see what queries I have.


I have these:

No 31 Wesleyan Marriage
July 3, 1861 Wesleyan Church Cawdor
Albert Godfrey Whiteman Bachelor Sussex England Farmer 23 Cawdor Thomas Whiteman Mary Butchers Farmer
Harriet Hilder Spinster Oaks Camden - 18 Camden Moses Hilder Eliz. Styles Farmer
By me Samuel Wilkinson
Both signed
Witnesses: Clincha ? [Charlotte] Hilder, Jane Hilder

No 4 Wesleyan Marriage
Sept 26th, 1894 Residence of Amelia Roberts
Albert Godfry ? Whiteman Bachelor [actually a widower] Sussex England Farmer 56 Lagoon near Bathurst Thomas Whiteman Mary Butchers Labourer
Charlotte Running (maiden name Hilder) Widow Oaks 46 Narellan Moses Hilder Elizabeth Styles Farmer
By me William Wall
Both signed
Witnesses: Richard Bellingham, Amelia Roberts

Regards,

Dave
 
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