How much Information do I need

[leslee]

Hi...

Sorry another question:

How much information would I need for a census request ?

I know very little about my man, Charles William Benjamin Bowen, except he could have been from England or Wales was born around 1834, fathers name was George. Possibly arrived in Australia about 1847 at the age of 13 years of age and got married in Feb 1860 in Australia.

 

[DaveHam9]

That's about right as a minimum. Rough age, any middle names, father's name.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

There does not seem to be a Charles BOWEN using initials or any middle names in 1841 census. Nor for a baptism on FS.

What state did he marry in and where and when did he die?

SA & NSW

BOWEN CHARLES W B 18254/1914 8O YRS BROKEN HILL BROKEN HILL

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/45304463
A resident of Broken Hill for 20
years passed away last night in the
person of Mr. Charles William Ben-
jamin Bowen, aged 80 years. Mr.
Bowen was born in Wales, and arrived
in South Australia when a boy of 13 years ...

 

[DaveHam9]

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/BSA/ShipLists Alpha by Year/1836-1851Passengers-AlphaList.htm

Can't see a BOWEN that fits 1845 - 1849.

 

[Ladybird1300]

Could only find one born in 1834 wales, but there were two others born in 1831.

1841 census:

Name: Charles Bowen
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Kerry
Registration district: Newtown
Sub-registration district: Kerry
Piece: 1439
Book: 20
Folio: 3
Thomas Bowen 45
Sarah Bowen 45
Sarah Bowen 20
Thomas Bowen 10
Mary Bowen 6
Richard Bowen 5
Charles Bowen 7


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

I found one tree that has no pob and no parents.

Don't know where father = 'George' came from.

Can't see an arrival in SA. Can't see anything in Wales or England with initials or middle names.

Dave

 

[Ladybird1300]

Checked Ancestry and FMP, haven't found a Charles Bowen father George and haven't found a baptism either.


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Might have to check 1851 census and rule some out.

Don't know how accurate the age at death is or the age on arrival.

No death in SA for a George Bowen. Searching index for just Bowen returns 100+ deaths

Dave

 

[leslee]

Hope this works did a post a wee while ago about him: this is the link ( I hope)
http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/showthread.php?t=30099

Charles W B Bowen : Married in Kapunda , SA 8 Feb 1860
George is named as his father on this marriage document
Death was in Broken Hill, NSW 18 Nov 1914

On his death certificate his son Charles William has informed that he lived in London, England, 43 years in SA and 24 years in NSW

The Trove article has Wales as place of birth and then goes on to say he arrived in South Australia when a boy of 13 years and a resident of Broken Hill for 26 years.

 

[leslee]

This is father listed on Marriage document



George ( unable to make out surname )
James Brown ( wifes father)

 

[leslee]

Ive tried just about every name combination I can think of, also tried George to see if I can see family naming patterns, but nothing...

Did a search today on him on familysearch and found this but I think I am just grasping at straws:

George Benjamin William Bowen
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name George Benjamin William Bowen
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1861
Registration District Lambeth
County London
Event Place Lambeth, London, England
Volume 1D
Page 256
Line Number 22

 

[Ellie7]

BOWEN Robert George, Mary Ann (wife), dau, Chas, Ann (d aft arr), Rbt arrived in SA 1839-06-17 aboard Hooghly from London 39-02-19


Charles
Last name--Bowen
Birth year--1834
Birth date--11 Jan 1834
Baptism year--1834
Baptism date--02 Feb 1834
Father's first name(s)--Robert George
Mother's first name(s)--Mary Anne -Mary Ann Frost -
Married -03 Jun 1828 Holborn
Parish--St George, Hanover Square
County--Middlesex
Country---England
Page----32
Archive---City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set--Westminster Baptisms

Doubt it's them
Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Allowing for a few years error in age at death and year of arrival doubt that's the family Ellie.

I did look for a family with children with lots of middle names.

We are not the only ones stuck. The author of a tree has no details for Charles before his marriage.

 

[DaveHam9]

This is father listed on Marriage document

View attachment 3829

George ( unable to make out surname )
James Brown ( wifes father)

Why is the name not Bowen?

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't see a death for a George Bowen in SA that fits. I can't see the family arriving SA from UK. I can't see the family departing Victoria for Adelaide.

 

[Ellie7]

I was just going to scrub that post ,I see he was born in Wales.

Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Born Wales may not be accurate as other info says England.

Did Charles arrive alone at that age?

100+ Bowen deaths in SA so without having a given name besides George we are stuck.

Assisted to Vic.
No age 2/3 JAN 303 MARION 1848 BOWEN, CHARLES

Oh. On another page
Age 23 2/3 JAN 292 MARION 1848 BOWEN, CHAS

I can't find his arrival as Charles Bowen.

 

[Ellie7]

Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia
B1834 -D1914

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

1913 Thomas-Street, Willyama, New South Wales, Australia
First name(s)
Last name
***
Age
Birth year
Occupation
Ann Bowen Female - - Domestic Duties
 Charles William Benjaminm Bowen Male - - Labourer
 Joseph Baker Bowen Male - - Miner
 Iiaiira Jane Bowen Female - - Domestic Duties

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Joseph Baker
Last name--Bowen
GenderMale
Birth year--1879
Birth date1--5 Jun 1879
Place--Terowie
District--Burra
State--South Australia
Country--Australia
Father's first name(s)--Charles William Benjamin
Father's last name--Bowen
Mother's first name(s)--Ann
Mother's last name--Brown

Ellie