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Hugh HAMILTON

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Hello,

Hugh HAMILTON b. abt 1833 Ayr

Assisted to NSW
HAMILTON Hugh 22 'Vocalist' 1857 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2138, [4/4794]; Reel 2476, [4/4972]
Date of Departure 7 May 1857 date of arrival 28 Aug 1857

Hugh 22 Carpenter Ayr CS Both ** age at death gives an earlier dob.


This is his death 1878/B12089 Hamilton Hugh - John Hamilton - Susan Wilson

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) - Thursday 14 March 1878 p.2
DEATHS
HAMILTON.-On the 10th March, at the residence of his brother-in-law, Mr. Edward Crosser, Robert-street, Spring Hill, Hugh Hamilton, of Hamilton, North Pine River, only son of the late John Hamilton, of Kilmarnock, Scotland, aged 45 years, leaving a widow and six children to mourn their loss.

John & Margaret and not Susan:

Piece: SCT1841/597 Place: Kilmarnock -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 22
Civil Parish: Kilmarnock Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kilmarnock
Folio: 0 Page: 9
Address: 24 King Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HAMILTON John M 35 Draper Outside Census County (1841)
HAMILTON Margret F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
HAMILTON John M 12 Ayrshire
HAMILTON Janet F 10 Ayrshire
HAMILTON Hugh M 8 Ayrshire
HAMILTON James M 4 Ayrshire
HAMILTON Anabella F 2 Ayrshire
SCOTT Mary F 25 Female Servant Ayrshire


John HAMILTON & Elisabeth WILSON
Marriage 29 Dec 1828 Loudoun, Ayr

Hugh HAMILTON born/baptised 29 Jul 1833 Kilmarnock, Ayr - John & Margaret

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Same family in 1851:

Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Gorbals -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Laurieston Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Gorbals
Folio: 615 Page: 20 Schedule: 80
Address: 107 Eglinton Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HAMILTON John Head M M 46 Warehouseman Renfrewshire - Renfrew
HAMILTON Margaret Wife M F 44 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
HAMILTON John Son U M 22 Clerk Shipping Office Ayrshire - Kilmarnock
HAMILTON Janet Dau U F 19 Ayrshire - Kilmarnock
HAMILTON Hugh Son U M 15 Clerk Warehouse Ayrshire - Kilmarnock
HAMILTON Hanabella Dau U F 11 Ayrshire - Kilmarnock
HAMILTON James Son U M 13 Scholar Ayrshire - Kilmarnock
MCNEIL Jane Servnt U F 22 House Servant Argyllshire - Campbeltown


The only Hugh born abt 1833 in Kilmarnock who shows up in same family in 1841 and 1851.

I wonder how accurate the 'Susan Wilson' bit is. And it says 'only son of' John.

The 1861 census should rule that one out.
 
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Just to complicate things a bit more. :2fun:

Hugh Montgomerie Hamilton (1854-1930), judge, was born on 26 June 1854 at Parramatta, New South Wales, son of Hugh Hamilton, a pastoralist from Ayrshire, Scotland, and his native-born wife Margaret Clunes, nÊe Innes...
Full bio - HERE

Marriage - one is an error and one is a correction
V1853251 39C/1853 HAMILTON HUGH - INNES MARGARET C CB
V1853261 39C/1853 HAMILTON HUGH - INNES MARGARET C NU

Empire (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1875) Wednesday 31 August 1853 p 2 Family Notices
... MARRIED. On the 30th instant, at St. John's Church, Parramatta, by the Rev. H. Bobart, Hugh, youngest son of the late John Hamilton, Esq., of Sundrum, Ayrshire, to Margaret Clunes, youngest daughter of the late George Innes, Esquire.

I can't find this one in shipping records. I want his age on arrival because I can't find his death.

Youngest son so not the family I have in the census.

So we have 2x Hugh from Ayr in Australia, both with father = John.
 
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The 'brother-on-law' bit does not help. It's not Hugh's sister.

Marriage 19 Dec 1861/B0189 Hamilton Hugh - Katherine McIvor

Marriage 1866/B1656 Crosser Edward - Anne McIvor
 

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The one you have found on the census has a mother Margaret Paul just to further reject them. If she was Wilson I would have wondered and I can find no other on the census with a John tho there is one who is on his own from a young age.

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Thanks Barbara.

Two of them both from Ayr both with father = John and neither seem to be in 1841 census.

I'm reasonably sure my Hugh arrived in 1857. Wish I could find the other one to get an age. Arrival has to be before 31 August 1853. There are lots of possible deaths in NSW for the Parramatta one.

The Sundrum bit has not helped either.

I can find no marriage for a Susan WILSON so I wonder about that bit.

Looks as though we are stuck.

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Deaths in NSW:

3244/1872 HAMILTON HUGH W AGE 51 YEARS DIED BERRIMA BERRIMA
8756/1885 HAMILTON HUGH AGE 72 YEARS DIED PARRAMATTA PARRAMATTA
4495/1887 HAMILTON HUGH AGE 46 YEARS DIED WOOLLAHRA WOOLLAHRA
14776/1896 HAMILTON HUGH H THOMAS L UNKNOWN PARRAMATTA
13526/1906 HAMILTON HUGH J HUGH JANE NEWTOWN
83/1915 HAMILTON HUGH J WILLIAM S BRIDGET SYDNEY
11457/1924 HAMILTON HUGH P WILLIAM JEAN MARRICKVILLE
18239/1928 HAMILTON HUGH E WILLIAM JANE ASHFIELD
14670/1930 HAMILTON HUGH M HUGH MARGARET C BURWOOD
12336/1933 HAMILTON HUGH THOMAS CHARLOTTE LIVERPOOL
 

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There is a Hugh Hamilton at Coylton (which is where Sundrum seems to be) but he was born 1774. Possibility of being John's father.

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and here is a John at Sundrum

John Hamilton
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Cathrine B Hamilton
Gender: Male
Where born: Coylton, Ayrshire
Parish Number: 583
Civil parish: Coylton
County: Ayrshire
Address: Sundrum
Occupation: Lundert Proprietor Farming 225 Acres 7 Employing 20 Bubiness 4 Woman & 4 Boys
ED: 5
Page: 8 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_129
Household Members: Name Age
John Hamilton 44
Cathrine B Hamilton 29
Mary Christian Dandalo Hamilton 10 Mo
Thomas Jobson 32
Anne Drum 27
Janet A Whitelan 30
Mary Watson 22
Janet Mcmaster 38
Jannet Boyd 40
Janet Wilson 19
Mary Kay 16
James Gibson 22
James Douglas 19


Catherine is his wife according to Ancestry but could be a second one?

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Thanks Barbara.

Yes, I was surprised how many there were in NSW.

Looks like a 2nd wife going by age.

I'll have to spend some time in TROVE and try to rule out some of those deaths. Pity that bio didn't mention the death of his father.
 

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Think we are onto something as John is a landed proprietor at Sundrum which seems to have been Sundrum House or Castle at various times. Looks they are of the gentry and Hugh could have been sent away to school? I am having trouble finding them in the 41 at all but am at work so will look later.
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Thanks Barbara.

Yes, I'd say there is a bit of class difference ;) between the Hugh in Parramatta with a bio of his son and my Hugh, the farmer in Dayboro, Queensland. Although my Hugh did get the location where he farmed named after him - at least for a few years. :2fun:
 

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Hi Dave, I am new to this site (used Google and found it). The Hugh from Dayboro is also my Hugh. I am a direct descendent and would love to know where you fit in with the tree, especially because you share the same name as my brother. I don't know if you can private message me but I'd be very interested in finding out more. I've only used ancestry.com until this point.

Rachael
 

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Hello Rachael and welcome to the Forum.

PM becomes available after 3 posts.

Actually it's coincidence. Hugh is not related to my Hamilton branch. Mine come from Co Down in Northern Ireland.

I can't actually recall why I was searching. A McIvor connection to Dayboro possibly. Or Edward Crosser.

None of the three are in my tree now that I've made some corrections since 2012.

I have nothing more than what is in this topic so if you have specific queries then post them and one of our members will try to help you.

Dave
 
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