Immigration information for 19th century Australia

[David de France]

Hi ,

I am unsure if this is the correct forum for this question, but nothing ventured .....

Does anyone know a site for searching immigration records, or details, of non-British immigrates to Australia, particularly Germans, during the period 1840 to 1880? I have searched the national archives of Australia, but with no luck, and I could not find an applicable passengers' lists.

Thanks for any assistance that will be offerred.

Regards
David

 

[gibbo]

Hi David,

Do you know which state they arrived at?
Some are a bit hard to find at times, you could always post their name and see how we go having a look.

You could have a look at these links.

South Australia
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.shtml

QLD

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/Default.aspx

 

[DaveHam9]

Up until 1901 each state/colony maintained their own records. Some are more complete than others. Not all passenger lists survive. Most of the assisted ones do but there are very few for the unassisted. The newspapers of the day were the only source for the names of the unassisted and often you only get the family name, sometimes with an initial but rarely the full name. Also rarely the names of any children.

 

[David de France]

Thanks DaveHam9

Yes you are correct this is what I have found, both immigrates I am following are from Germany and I am confident that they are unassisted passengers, and arrived in the first half of the 19th century in Port Phillip. I have looked at the Argus paper, but the ship's arrival is recorded with some, but not all passengers. I am trying to verify that they did travel on the ships and also from the passengers' list confirm or discover the names of the parents ( if any).

For your information the details of the passengers I am interested in are:
Johann "John" Martin Friedrich Fritzlaff from Stolpmuende, Pomeranien,Germany, who was suppose to arrive in Melbourne in August 1850 on the ship "NELSON" or "ADMIRAL NELSON", but I can not find confirmation documentation.

Johanne Eleonore Rieger from Limbach, Würtemburg, Deutschland, who I only know was 27 years when she married in 1852 and I have research all documents between 1840 and 1852, but unable to discover and information.

Fritzlaff and Rieger were married in Melbourne on 24/06/1852 but their marriage records do not list the names of the parents.

Thanks again for your suggestion.
Regards
David

 

[David de France]

Thanks gibbo,

I had searched The Ships Lists site extensively because it contains execellent information, but without success. I did not know the Queensland link and I will search this site for information, but the two people I am researching arrived in Port Phillip in the first half of the 19th century.

For fear of repeating myself, the two people I am researching, and who married each other on 24/06/1852 in Melbourne are:
Johann "John" Martin Friedrich Fritzlaff from Stolpmuende, Pomeranien, Germany, who according to a primary document for land purchase, arrived in Melbourne in August 1850 on the ship "NELSON" or "ADMIRAL NELSON"
and,
Johanne Eleonore Rieger from Limbach, Würtemburg, Deutschland, but I have no clues for her arrive and the name of the ship,

Fritzlaff and Rieger were married in Melbourne on 24/06/1852, however there is no record of the names of their parents in the marriage registry, so I am stuck and I can not follow their ancestors.

Again, thanks for your help,
Regards
David

 

[gibbo]

Johann "John" Martin Friedrich Fritzlaff from Stolpmuende, Pomeranien, Germany, who according to a primary document for land purchase, arrived in Melbourne in August 1850 on the ship "NELSON" or "ADMIRAL NELSON"

Hi David,

A naturalisation record in National archives australia states he arrived on the ship Nelson. Gives very little info.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

 

[gibbo]

Just for interest if you havent already seen it there is a will online in the Vic archives site for John.

John M F Fritzlaff Farmer Harkaway 20 Aug 1900

http://prov.vic.gov.au/

 

[gibbo]

I noticed your location is in Melbourne, if your able to maybe a visit to the archives to check for the passenger list for the Nelson could be worthwhile.
It doesnt appear to be online but the archives may have a copy of it.

 

[DaveHam9]

Re the newspapers for the Unassisted, I failed to mention that they usually list the cabin passengers but often don't list those in steerage, especially if it's several hundred.


I have many in my tree who can't be found.

Dave

 

[David de France]

Hi guys,
Thanks for the information I must admit it has been frustrating because both Fritzlaff and Rieger immigrated here and without their parents details I am limited in researching their ancestors. The marriage certificate does not record their parents name and the electorial rolls do not begin for another 50 years. So I rely on the shipping passenger lists to clarify my suspicions on the names of the parents.

gibbo you have a good point I may try to see the original records, I know that at some point Rieger lived in SA, but there maybe an entry records along with her parents name. Also, thanks for http://prov.vic.gov.au/ but I could not find the 1900 Harkaway farmer record you refer to is there a particular list where you found this record?

daveham9 - I found the Nelson reported in the Argus and you were right because the did list all the passengers and my ancestor was not listed.

thanks for you help
regards
David

 

[gibbo]

http://prov.vic.gov.au/ but I could not find the 1900 Harkaway farmer record you refer to is there a particular list where you found this record?

http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_resul...ar_of_deathto=1900&SearchRecords=25&x=59&y=17

Or if that doesnt work try these. The will is in 3 parts so you will have to read all 3 links below.

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/p...Revision-2-Document-1-Encoding-1-DocumentData

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/p...Revision-2-Document-1-Encoding-1-DocumentData

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/p...Revision-2-Document-1-Encoding-1-DocumentData

 

[David de France]

Thanks gibbo,

Sorry I did not reply sooner, but thanks for the links the information confirmed Fritzlaff's children in my tree, and to have a copy of the probate order and his Will is a huge benefit. It is a pity that he did not bequeath to his parents so I can firm thir names

Regards
David

 

[gibbo]

Your welcome

 

[Kaye Schumann]

Thanks DaveHam9

Yes you are correct this is what I have found, both immigrates I am following are from Germany and I am confident that they are unassisted passengers, and arrived in the first half of the 19th century in Port Phillip. I have looked at the Argus paper, but the ship's arrival is recorded with some, but not all passengers. I am trying to verify that they did travel on the ships and also from the passengers' list confirm or discover the names of the parents ( if any).

For your information the details of the passengers I am interested in are:
Johann "John" Martin Friedrich Fritzlaff from Stolpmuende, Pomeranien,Germany, who was suppose to arrive in Melbourne in August 1850 on the ship "NELSON" or "ADMIRAL NELSON", but I can not find confirmation documentation.

Johanne Eleonore Rieger from Limbach, Würtemburg, Deutschland, who I only know was 27 years when she married in 1852 and I have research all documents between 1840 and 1852, but unable to discover and information.

Fritzlaff and Rieger were married in Melbourne on 24/06/1852 but their marriage records do not list the names of the parents.

Thanks again for your suggestion.
Regards
David

Hi David
My name is Kaye Schumann and I was 'google earthing' where my Great Great Grandfather (John Martin Friedrich Fritzlaff) came from. I also googled his name and found your post above. I am a direct descendant of John Martin and Johanne's family and have all of their family history. Although I don't have any family history prior to them leaving Germany.
I believed he came from Stolpmunde, Prussia now called Stupsk, Poland but on reading your post it makes more sense that it was Stolpmuende Germany,
now Stolpen. I also have copies of the sale of land he bought in Harkaway, Victoria Australia and a copy of his will. Also a family album with the original printed death notice.
If you wish to know any of this, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely, Kaye Schumann (nee Fritzlaff)

 

[horse]

Hi Kaye

Welcome to the site, good luck with your research.

Geoff

 

[David de France]

Hi Kaye,

We have the same relationship to John Martin Friedrich Fritzlaff and I thank you for your offer for information on our ancestors, but I have most of the linages in Australia. Johann (John) Frizlaff was born in Stolpmuende, which was Germany but is now Poland and there was a lack of care for German records by the Poles once they took over the area. But it is Johanne Eleonore Rieger (Fritzlaff) who is my problem because I can not find any documents of her prior to her marriage to Johann, which means I can not trace her parents and ancestry (our ancestry) back in the past.

Thanks again for your offer,
regards
David