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I've hit that brick wall-help with a marriage please?

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Hi all,
Ancestor John DeVere 1442-1530, 13th Earl of Oxford - there are various women that I've found in other persons trees and doing my own research and don't know WHICH one is correct! I've got a Katherine de Neville 1447-1504, an Elizabeth Scrope d.1537, and an Alice Colbrooke Kilrington 1458 - 1494. I don't know where to look next. Anyone have any clues please?

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Ange :)
 

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You're in the realm of Catholic records in Oxfordshire, I would think.

Unfortuneately, the marriage index only goes from 1538, and I would think that would be Church of England only.

I have just posted a query on another web site, for the very same question for pre 1538 records, and later.
I will get back to you, if I get an answer.

Is there a Will available for John de Vere.

I have noticed a small error in your query. KIRLINGTON, would be KIRTLINGTON, if I'm not mistaken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Vere,_13th_Earl_of_Oxford

Oxford married firstly, Margaret Neville, the daughter of Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury, by Alice, the daughter of Thomas Montagu, 4th Earl of Salisbury. Oxford's first wife was the sister of Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick, the Kingmaker.[14][15]

Margaret Neville died between 20 November 1506 and 14 January 1507,[16] and Oxford married secondly Elizabeth Scrope, the widow of his colleague William, 2nd Viscount Beaumont, and daughter and coheir of Sir Richard Scrope, the second son of Henry, 4th Baron Scrope of Bolton, by Eleanor, the daughter of Norman Washbourne.[14]

He is said to have had an illegitimate daughter, Katherine de Vere (d. after 20-06-1504), who married Sir Robert Broughton, 'one of the richest non-baronial landowners in England'.[17] Broughton appointed the 13th Earl as supervisor of his will.[17]

Sir Robert Broughton and Katherine de Vere had two sons and a daughter:

John Broughton (d. 24 January 1518 )[18][19][20] of Toddington, Bedfordshire, who married Anne Sapcote (d. 14 March 1559),[21] the daughter and heir of Sir Guy Sapcote by Margaret Wolston, daughter and heir of Sir Guy Wolston,[22] and by her had a son, John Broughton (d.1528 ), and two daughters, Katherine Broughton (d. 23 April 1535), who was the first wife of William Howard, 1st Baron Howard of Effingham,[23][24] and Anne Broughton, who married, as his second wife, by dispensation dated 24 May 1539, Sir Thomas Cheyney.[25][26][27]
Robert Broughton.[28]
Margaret Broughton, who married Henry Everard, by whom she had several children, including Elizabeth Everard, who married Sir William Clopton (d. 6 October 1568 ) of Liston Hall, Essex


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Vere_family



Steve.:)
 
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Hiya Steve
thanks so much for coming back so quickly. You're spot on with the name Kirtlington, that's my poor spelling. As for the 3 marriages of JOhn De Vere ... so TYPICAL that Kathering (the importand daughter...) was possibly illegitimate - so I'm unlikely EVER to discover who her mother was :mad: . She's the link I'm following. Well dash it all. Cannot find notice of a Will for John, Steve. Don't ya just lurve this Genealogy stuff. . . . . .
 

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Hiya Steve
thanks so much for coming back so quickly. You're spot on with the name Kirtlington, that's my poor spelling. As for the 3 marriages of JOhn De Vere ... so TYPICAL that Kathering (the importand daughter...) was possibly illegitimate - so I'm unlikely EVER to discover who her mother was :mad: . She's the link I'm following. Well dash it all. Cannot find notice of a Will for John, Steve. Don't ya just lurve this Genealogy stuff. . . . . .
I have the same problem, albeit almost 400 years later.:biggrin:

But the fact is, she is still a DeVere.....so you can carry on the paternal family line, which is far better documented than mine.;)

Yus M'lady....should I take a bow.:2fun:
 
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I have the same problem, albeit almost 400 years later.:biggrin:

But the fact is, she is still a DeVere.....so you can carry on the paternal family line, which is far better documented than mine.;)

Yus M'lady....should I take a bow.:2fun:
Hahaha don't you DARE! Thanks again Steve, I just had the feeling that with any of those wives, I might have had a more interesting journey than De Vere.

BEST WISHES to you, and happy digging,

AngeTheHippy XX
 

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