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Jack Dale or Ethel Appleby

DB67

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Hello, i live in Canada and am the daughter of Doreen Thelma Dale and the grand daughter of Ethel Appleby and Jack Dale married in 1921, date: 1921 In New Castle on Tyne. They were divorced when my mother was only 3. I am wondering what happened to my grandfather and if i have any relatives In the UK.
 
Jack DaleREGISTRATION DATE: Apr 1921REGISTRATION QUARTER: Apr-May-JunREGISTRATION DISTRICT: Newcastle upon TyneINFERRED COUNTY: NorthumberlandSPOUSE: Ethel M Appleby
 
This maybe your Gran in 1921....

Ethel
Last name(s)
Dale
Birth year
1897
Address
21 Baroness Drive, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Borough / district
Newcastle-Upon-Tyne C.B.
County
Northumberland
 
Is this your mother ?
Thelma DaleREGISTRATION DATE: Oct 1924REGISTRATION QUARTER: Oct-Nov-DecREGISTRATION DISTRICT: Newcastle upon TyneINFERRED COUNTY: NorthumberlandMOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME: Appleby


DALE,
THELMA GRO Reference: 1924 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 231
 
Yes, I remember my mother telling me she lived in a row house with her mother Ethel Appleby Dale. They were not well off having been abandoned by her father.
Thanks for the address. My grandfather remains a mystery. He was an engineer…my mother rarely spoke of him by respect for her mother who suffered with very little money for her two children and herself.
i know my grandfather Jack Dale tried to contact my mother wanting to see her when my mother went over for her uncle Erny´s or Ernie? funeral. My mother refused to see him by respect for her own mother. I think this is either in 1971 or 1972. My grandmother used to send us beautiful chocolate eggs by post at Easter. She passed away that Easter 1971 and I think her brother Ernie maybe six months later…don’t know much more. My Mum passed away in 2009.
i know for a fact she missed her father dearly all her life although he left her behind when she was three.
 
Is this your mother ?
Thelma DaleREGISTRATION DATE: Oct 1924REGISTRATION QUARTER: Oct-Nov-DecREGISTRATION DISTRICT: Newcastle upon TyneINFERRED COUNTY: NorthumberlandMOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME: Appleby


DALE, THELMA GRO Reference: 1924 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 231
 
Yes I believe this is my mother. What seems strange though, she was born Thelma Dale in 1924 but not in october. She always told us and was celebrated on december 29th. She also changed her name to Doreen quite early on in her life. We found this out when she passed away in 2009.
Born in october, stange…but definitely 1924, must be her….where did you find this information? Very puzzling.
 
Thank you, I will look into this when I have a bit of time…My husband and I, myself 68, still working and quite busy with our family apple orchard - must try to find time to follow up on this…
My sisters and myself have always wanted to know more about our relatives (if we have any) etc but my mother seemed to leave her the past. When she was older, she missed England so much but wasn’t healthy enough to travel back. We were also very busy with our own families, work and children to be able to accompany her when she could have gone perhaps ten years before passing.
My mother also spoke often of wwII, and was mad that she lost her only brother 23 yers old in march 1945 just before the end of the war. He would write or phone her in London…told her they were bombing rubble in Germany. I believe he is buried somewhere in Europe but don’t know where…Austria, Holland, Germany where his plane was gunned down, His name was William Dale and he was an engineer and accompanied the pilots…was he a gunner, don’t know…
 
unless you purchase the marriage cert for them in 1921 - wont know which is correct for father..
We have 2 choices for birth of Ethel M Appleby who married Jack Dale

(1) - Ethel Mary Appleby b M qtr Newcastle-upon-Tyne – Vol 10 B page 42 – mm Houlden

(2) - Ethel May Appleby b S qtr 1898 Newcastle-upon-Tyne – Vol 10B page 21 – mm Dykes

John Edward Appleby married March qtr Newcastle T. to Georgina Caroline Houlden – vol 10b page 51

Thomas William Appleby married July qtr 1894 Newcastle-upon-Tyne to Hannah Jane Dykes – Vol 10b page 61 - good pos re son/brother Ernest

Probate Thomas Appleby of 198 Dilston road Newcastle-upon-Tyne, retired assistant overseer died 18 Feb 1917, Probate 23 April to Annie Appleby widow – effects 1488pound 16s 6d

Probate – Annie Appleby of 198 Dilston road Newcastle-upon-Tyne widow died 2 February 1935, Probate Newcastle-upon-Tyne 21 March to Robert Royston gas company official – effects 1295pounds 17s 8d.

1901 census 558 Scotswood rd Elswich
Thomas Appleby 27 b Newcastle-upon-Tyne – cab proprietor
Hannah wife 26 b same
Jeannie daug 6 b same
Ethel daug 3 b same
Ernest son 6mths b same

Hannah Jane Dykes b M qtr 1875 Newcastle-upon-tyne Vol 10B page 49 – mm Hogg

her parents
John Dykes age 22 married 1 Feb 1866 Christ Church Tynemouth Northumberland (father = James Dykes) to Harriet Hogg age 20 (father = John Hogg) – FHL 1068933

For your Mum's brother….
William Denis Dale b March qtr 1922 Newcastle T. Vol 10b page 14 – mm Appleby
UK and Allied Countries Index of International Bomber Command Losses

William Denis Dale Sgt, served Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve – Squadron no: 1594366 – Unit 214 – Flight Engineer died 21 March 1945 buried Durnbach War Cemetery Germany – ref no: 1594366 Dale
https://losses.internationalbcc.co.uk/loss/206647/

WW11 Index to Allied Airmen Roll of Honor
William Denis Dale – Sgt – Service no: 5943616 – Unit 214 Squadron Bomber Command – ship Fortress 111 – Flight Engineer killed in action buried Durnbach War Cemetery German – notes: Lost during a jostle RCM sortie in support of the Main Force Raid on a synthetic Oil Plant at Bohlen near Leipzig

On findagrave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18601038/william-denis-dale

regards
Val
 
I'm beginning to think that it maybe the John - Jack conundrum where people born John become to be known as Jack. There seems to be no Jacks in the 1921 census in Newcastle they are all John.
 
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