james and emma last

[rjshave]

I would be very grateful if someone could look up the 1871 census for James and Emma Last and their family. James and emma were born in framsden. They would have had a son called frederick aged 8, george aged 2/3 and Mary Ann aged 0 born in Debenham. Many thanks

 

[oznannie]

Hi RJ
here is 1871 Hydes Corner Debenham
James Last 38 ag lab,Emma 30, William 13 errand boy, Frederick 8, Ellen 4, George 2, Mary A 1 week

ozn

 

[rjshave]

many thanks for that! Is there a reason why James and emmas ages differ so much in the next census?!

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I think this is him in 1861

1861 England Census
Name: James Last
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Last
Mother's name: Ann Last
Gender: Male
Where born: Framsden, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Framsden
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham

Piece: 1156 Folio: 14 Page Number: 21

Thomas Last 48 Gosbeck
Ann Last 46 Helmingham
James Last 28 Fransden
Alice Last 12 ''
Frederick Last 7 ''


Marriage

Emma Harvey to James Last - Dec 1861 Bosmere, ref 4a 1103

dave

 

[rjshave]

Many thanks for that dave, would william last in 1871 be emma's son from a first marriage as william would have been born 1858, before james married emma harvey?

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
William I think has a sister, but I have not got any further yet

1861 England Census
Name: William Last
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Eyke, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Rendlesham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gregory
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

dave
Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Wickham Market

Piece: 1174 Folio: 76 Page Number: 11

George Goudy 25
Betsy Goudy 22
Maria Goudy 2
George Goudy 3 MO
William Last 3 Eyke, Visitor
Amelia Last 2 Eyke, Visitor

 

[davelambert271]

This may be the 1st mge

Marriages Sep 1855

Last James Stow, Suffolk 4a 623
Watkinson Ann Stow 4a 623

dave

 

[rjshave]

Thank you Dave for that info! I have found a William Last registered December quarter 1857 in plomesgate, Suffolk. Also Amelia Last March quarter 1859, also born in Plomesgate, Suffolk. Do you think that is them?

 

[oznannie]

Hi R.J
A good pickup from you regarding Emma being 30 & Wm 13 yrs old.
Over the top with me!!
The age gap between Wm & his sibs should have jumped out.
Back to Dave's post
William Last from Eyke 1857 his baptism in IGI
parents Samuel & Eleanor. Amelia 1859 with same parents.
It's member submitted so perhaps not correct.
ozn

 

[oznannie]

Hi again
Emma Harvey is in 1861 census with her folks aged 20yrs
born in Framsden.
William Last 13 cannot be her son from a prev marriage.
What a puzzle?

ozn

 

[rjshave]

Hi Oz
There is a William last aged 2, I think with siblings Adeline aged 4 and suzanna aged 6 and mother called Eliza aged 27. Do you think that James could have been marrried to her? I don't know if I have all the correct details as I can't see the census, I am only going by what I can see.

 

[rjshave]

I have just found out from a 1871 census that william Last was born in Barham, Suffolk. Does that help anyone in trying to find out more details on who william Last is?

 

[oznannie]

Hi RJ
Here's 1861 census
Broxhall?? Rd Brettenham
Eliza Last 27 widow cottager
Susanna 6, Adeline 4, William 2
all bn Brettenham
Mother Mary Proctor widow 72 bn Bildestone Suffolk.
Free BMD marriage Eliza Proctor to William Last
dec qtr Cosford Suffolk 1856
The only birth I could find for a Susanna Last was in june qtr 1855
Hoxne rego area.(Adeline 1857 in Cosford)

I hope this is of some help
ozn

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I am wondering if William was born out of wedlock, or maybe adopted. Although 28 James was not married or a widower on the 1861 census and was living at home. Emma would have been about 17/18 when William was born. I think Williams birth record is O/D 1859 Bosmere ref 4a 500. It may be the answer to obtain the birth cert.

dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi Dave, good help about birth cert.
Please can you have a look at my 1861 post?
Thanks me dear. Susanna has me puzzled.
Is she his child before he married Eliza nee Proctor??
ozn

 

[rjshave]

Hi O z,
I have just found a website on the Lasts and it says that Adeline, Suzanna and William all had the same parents - William Last and Eliza Proctor, so that William can't be the son of James and Emma!

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Dave, good help about birth cert.
Please can you have a look at my 1861 post?
Thanks me dear. Susanna has me puzzled.
Is she his child before he married Eliza nee Proctor??
ozn

Hi Oz I am not convinced that James was married before Emma. William was born at Barham, the children in your post were born some 9 miles away at Brettenham, and Eliza is a widow. Sorry

The William for whom I have provided reg details on post 14 was born Barham in Bosmere District, so a good chance he's the one.

dave

 

[oznannie]

Thanks Dave for your help re James and for answering my question.
Much appreciated.

ozn