James ARROL & Ellen/Helen

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

James ARROL b. 1859 Paisley, Renfrew

Ellen/Helen GRAY b. abt 1861 where ? d. 1886 Bonhill, Dunbarton Aged 25

Ellen was the daughter of John GRAY a dye work labourer and Jane SLOAN.

Marriage: 30 Dec 1881 at 15 Westercraigs, Dennistoun, Lanark

I don't know if this is the same Ellen or just coincidence. This is the rest of the family - mother and younger siblings in 1881:

1881
CP: Paisley High Church
Renfrew
No address is showing.
Jane Arrol 56 Head, House Keeper born Paisley
Agnes Arrol 19 Tailoress born Parish, Shotts
John Arrol 17 Blacksmith born Paisley <----- George ?
George Chalmers 8 Nephew
Ellen Gray 20 Boarder born ?

James in 1881 with his married sister:

1881
RD: Bridgeton
CP: Glasgow Barony
Lanark
Address: 57 Queen Mary Street
Andrew Chalmers 30 occ Under ? Puddler [Iron]
Elizabeth Chalmers 28
Andrew Chalmers Jr 4
Jeanie Chalmers 2
Agnes Chalmers 3 months
James Arroll 22 boarder Tape Dresser’s Assistant

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

ELLEN GRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 03 JAN 1860 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

2. ELIZABETH GRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 MAR 1865 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

3. ELIZABETH GRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 05 FEB 1872 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

4. DEBORAH GRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 29 SEP 1867 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

5. JANE GRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 14 SEP 1862 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

6. WILLIAM GRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 06 MAR 1865 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Too many of them to be sure but here is Ellen's baptism with her siblings and the parents are John and Helen not Jane. Checked her death and her brother agrees his mum was Helen as he was informant.

 

[barbarajoh]

oops, sorry forgot to say she was born glasgow in the census.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

Helen's brother was the informant? Why not James?

Well I wonder where the Jane SLOAN came from. Several things don't add up.

I've started a new list of records to look up on SP next time I get some credits.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

I've seen another ref for a GRAY marriage at 15 Westercraigs on 31 Dec 1889 - a James Currie GRAY and a there is a son John Scott GRAY b. 1892. Can't find in FS.

It is not a church or such but looks like an ordinary dwelling.

The Ellen in Paisley in 1881 was born Glasgow. James born Paisley was in Glasgow in 1881. Perhaps it is coincidence and not the same Ellen. The Jane SLOAN bit had to come from somewhere.

Regards,

Dave