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James Boniface BURNS info

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Hi all, I have trawled through Scotlands People and various websites including
Ancestry's Scottish Census etc looking for a marriage of a James Boniface BURNS who apparently married a Margaret Kenna, most probably between 1900and 1918. It may have been in Govan, Glasgow? Found their son born there - another James Boniface BURNS born 1917 but no luck with his parents. I suspect they may have married Ireland? Could the KENNA surname be McKenna ? They may have had 3 daughters before James Boniface Burns (1917) - Could there be 3 generations of James Boniface BURNS? I did find one through Seamans Records in 1864 but not sure if I am on the right track. Can anyone help here please? Thanks in anticipation. :(
 

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do you have James B Burns jnr's birth record as it would tell you where his parents married and the date?

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This may be the 1864 James (seaman) that you mentioned:

Family Search:
James Boniface Burns, "United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941"
James Boniface Burns
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1921-1941
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: West Indies
Birth Year: 1864
***

This may be him in 1911:
James Burns
Born abt 1865 St Thomas, British West Indies
Married
Occ: Cook
Relation to Head: Crew

Civil Parish: Queenborough
County: Kent
Registration District: Sheppey
Registration District Number: 62
Sub-registration District: Minster
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
RG14; Piece: 4469; Schedule Number: 18
***

Maybe a long shot:
James Burns
Birth Date: abt 1862
Age: 40
Port of Dep: West Indies
Arrival Date: 12 Mar 1902
Port of Arr: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: San Francisco
[Cartagena]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Trent
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Official Number: 112664
[The image shows he is travelling with a Maud Burns aged 33]

I've come across the name 'Boniface' before and it was to do with the West Indies area, the family eventually settled in the London area as I recall. I'll look through my notes later...

Hope there is something that helps.

Geoff
 

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This may be the 1864 James (seaman) that you mentioned:

Family Search:
James Boniface Burns, "United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941"
James Boniface Burns
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1921-1941
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: West Indies
Birth Year: 1864
***

This may be him in 1911:
James Burns
Born abt 1865 St Thomas, British West Indies
Married
Occ: Cook
Relation to Head: Crew

Civil Parish: Queenborough
County: Kent
Registration District: Sheppey
Registration District Number: 62
Sub-registration District: Minster
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
RG14; Piece: 4469; Schedule Number: 18
***

Maybe a long shot:
James Burns
Birth Date: abt 1862
Age: 40
Port of Dep: West Indies
Arrival Date: 12 Mar 1902
Port of Arr: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: San Francisco
[Cartagena]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Trent
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Official Number: 112664
[The image shows he is travelling with a Maud Burns aged 33]

I've come across the name 'Boniface' before and it was to do with the West Indies area, the family eventually settled in the London area as I recall. I'll look through my notes later...

Hope there is something that helps.

Geoff
thanks Geoff. I will take this information as every little bit helps. I'm really working in the dark here - until I can get some kind of certificate and if I can find the marriage, then hopefully I can work from that. the marriage is eluding me - I still have a gut feeling it could be Ireland. thanks Marjon
 

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Hi

In the meantime, a little more to consider...

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
James Boniface Burns
Arrival Date: 9 Jul 1943
Birth Date: abt 1917
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Swansea, Wales
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: British Aviator
[Image says Deck hand 2 years]

Geoff
 

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hi all, this family is still eluding me. Can anyone tell me how to go about getting a Scottish certificate? How much would it be in Aust$. Does Ancestry World Heritage show Scottish Information not on the usual site? If the 1917 JBB was born in the West Indies - how do I get a copy of the certificate? I seem to have brick walls all around this family. Driving me mad :'(



Hi all, I have trawled through Scotlands People and various websites including
Ancestry's Scottish Census etc looking for a marriage of a James Boniface BURNS who apparently married a Margaret Kenna, most probably between 1900and 1918. It may have been in Govan, Glasgow? Found their son born there - another James Boniface BURNS born 1917 but no luck with his parents. I suspect they may have married Ireland? Could the KENNA surname be McKenna ? They may have had 3 daughters before James Boniface Burns (1917) - Could there be 3 generations of James Boniface BURNS? I did find one through Seamans Records in 1864 but not sure if I am on the right track. Can anyone help here please? Thanks in anticipation. :(
 

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Hi Marjon,

This from Scotlandspeople.gov.uk which is where you can obtain the certificates

This is an index of the two births for that name in the whole of Scotland which may help you a little - I used one credit for that info which cost only a few pence.

1 1890 BURNS JAMES BONIFACE M PARTICK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/03 0767
2 1917 BURNS JAMES BONIFACE M POLLOKSHIELDS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/18 0446 No

The 1917 one is not available on site as the man could have still been alive but the other can be bought for 5 credits. 30 credits cost £7, sorry don't know what that is in Aust dollars but someone else will I am sure. You have to register on the site and buy some credits but that birth will give you his parents and their occupation and where they were married as well as the birth details.

the 1917 one you can obtain but have to order and it used to be £10 but probably a bit more now.

Let me know if I can help further but if one is father of the other then a good chance he married in Scotland too? I will take a look for the marriage index for you.

Barbara
 

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again from the index of marriages on Scotlandspeople

1 1896 BURNS JAMES KENNA MARGARET KINNING PARK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/14 0091


Available for 5 credits and will give you both parents of the bride and groom and their occupations, whether deceased or living and where the couple were living at the time of marriage and whether they married in the church of scotland or free church etc.

Barbara
 

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Thank You, thank you - Barbara - all the information you posted has verified my research. I will certainly access site and obtain the certificates. The marriage certificate/birth certificates will help to put the puzzle together. In all of my research years - this has been the most frustrating. This family is not part of my tree (thank goodness) but a friends. She knows hardly anything about the family - looks like most of the men died early, leaving mothers/children to struggle. Lots of arguments in the family too - no information passed on. thanks once again to you - and to FHUK members who have given their time and effort in this search. It is much appreciated. :biggrin:




Hi Marjon,

This from Scotlandspeople.gov.uk which is where you can obtain the certificates

This is an index of the two births for that name in the whole of Scotland which may help you a little - I used one credit for that info which cost only a few pence.

1 1890 BURNS JAMES BONIFACE M PARTICK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/03 0767
2 1917 BURNS JAMES BONIFACE M POLLOKSHIELDS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/18 0446 No

The 1917 one is not available on site as the man could have still been alive but the other can be bought for 5 credits. 30 credits cost £7, sorry don't know what that is in Aust dollars but someone else will I am sure. You have to register on the site and buy some credits but that birth will give you his parents and their occupation and where they were married as well as the birth details.

the 1917 one you can obtain but have to order and it used to be £10 but probably a bit more now.

Let me know if I can help further but if one is father of the other then a good chance he married in Scotland too? I will take a look for the marriage index for you.

Barbara
 
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