James Brown & Eliz arrived on the Shackamaxon

[leslee]

Hello everyone,

Hoping someone might be able to help me try to make a connection on these two folks that I've been given a lead on.

James Brown & Eliz
Arrived in the port of Adelaide, South Australia on the ship Shackamaxon 22 Jan 1853 , with their girls Ann b. 1839 Driffield, Margaret b 1850 & Harriet b.1843 & a Maria Ann b. 1837 Driffield.

Eliz - died in port not log after the ship docked and was, as the story goes buried on the beech by James.

A family member has said that Eliz maiden name was "Draper" and that they were married 1839 at Charlton Kings, Gloucester England.

They could not tell me how they obtained her maiden name.
I have nothing giving her Name as "Draper".....

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hi,

I can't see the vessel on the list.

Sacramento 1850; St Helena 1844; Salacia 1850; Sally Ann 1839; Samuel Baker 1839; Samuel Boddington 1849, 50; San Francisco 1850; Sans Pareille 1842-47; Sanspareil 1847; Santipore 1848, 50; Sarah 1846; Sarah & Elizabeth 1837, 42; Sarepta 1849; Schah 1837; Scotia 1844, 45; Scout 1840-47; Sea Queen 1850; Senator 1849; Seppings 1839, 40; Shamrock 1840, 45, 46; Siam 1841; Sibella 1848, 50; Simlah (Simlar) 1849; Singapore 1839; Sir Charles Forbes 1839, 49; Sir Charles McCarthy 1837; Sir Edmund Head 1850; Sir Edward Parry 1849; Siren 1837-38; Sisters 1845; Sister 1847; Skerne 1839; Skjold (Skiold) 1841; Socrates 1839, 40; Solway 1837; Somersetshire 1839; Sophia 1820; Sophia Moffatt 1850; Sophie 1850, 51; South Australian 1837; Souvenir 1845, 46; Sovereign 1840; Spartan 1845, 49; Stag 1850; Statesman 1850; Stebonheath 1849, 50; Steinwaerder (Steinwarder) 1849, 1853-55; Stratheden 1850; Strathisla 1839; Success 1836, 48; Sultana 1842, 50; Superb 1839, 40; Surry (Surrey) 1838; Susannah 1849; Susanne 1851; Swan 1846; Symmetry 1844-50;


I can find no death in SA in 1853 for an E Brown.

Dave

 

[leslee]

Hi Dave


Link to the Ship List: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/shackamaxon1853.shtml

and Passenger list SA records : http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/passenger-lists-view/1853/


The family are listed and it has a notation next to Eliz that she died in port.
But I have not been able to find anything on her death? Not sure why it wouldn't have been registered....

 

[DaveHam9]

Driffield in East Yorkshire? Maria born before the marriage ?

James Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Great Driffield, Yorkshire,Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Registration District Driffield
Residence Note West Gate Promise Square
Marital Status Married
Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Birthplace Langtoft, Yorkshire
Page Number 30
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 2366 / 279
James Brown Head M 37 Langtoft, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Brown Wife F 51 Whitby, Yorkshire
Ann Brown Daughter F 11 Driffield, Yorkshire
Harriot Brown Daughter F 7 Driffield, Yorkshire
Margaret Brown Daughter F 0 Driffield, Yorkshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Need to check if this is correct

BROWN, MARGARET - RIDLEY
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in DRIFFIELD Volume 23 Page 45

??

BROWN, HARRIET - PICKERING
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 39

BROWN, ANN - PICKERING
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 40


Gap and 2nd marriage ??

 

[leslee]

Yes that's them, Dave... O0

I never noticed that Maria may have been born before the marriage date I was given .....

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Mar Qtr 1850
Brown James Driffield 23 82
Dolphin George Driffield 23 82
Mason Richard Driffield 23 82
Ridley Elizabeth Driffield 23 82
Shaw Susanna Driffield 23 82
Wright Ann Driffield 23 82

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know why that vessel is not on the other list.

I don't think it's the marriage to Draper from the birth reg of the children in the 1851 census.


??
Maria Ann Ranson
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1837
Registration District Driffield
County Yorkshire
Event Place Driffield, Yorkshire, England
Volume 23
Page 21

The only Maria Ann born Driffield in 1837 in FreeBMD

Dave

 

[leslee]

Need to check if this is correct

BROWN, MARGARET - RIDLEY
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in DRIFFIELD Volume 23 Page 45

??

BROWN, HARRIET - PICKERING
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 39

BROWN, ANN - PICKERING
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 40


Gap and 2nd marriage ??

That's interesting....

Maiden name Pickering / 1st marriage Ridley ?

 

[leslee]

Marriages Mar Qtr 1850
Brown James Driffield 23 82
Dolphin George Driffield 23 82
Mason Richard Driffield 23 82
Ridley Elizabeth Driffield 23 82
Shaw Susanna Driffield 23 82
Wright Ann Driffield 23 82

1850 marriage to James would mean that Margaret is his only daughter

What does the 23 82 mean ?

 

[DaveHam9]

Something is not right.

 

[leslee]

Something is not right.

Understand.... Brown..... has been a nightmare for me to try and pin down

 

[DaveHam9]

Gap between children = 2 marriages ??

Death for first wife?

Or 1 marriage and not the right birth reg. ??

Volume and page no.

 

[leslee]

James definitely had 4 daughters...

Number of wives could prove difficult to know, all the girls have put and are registered in OZ with Brown as surname and Eliz as mother...

Found this article some time ago which helped me locate them in OZ

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/213586128

 

[DaveHam9]

If those three are not the right birth reg then we have another Brown family in Driffield.

If it is Elizabeth Pickering then I can't find the marriage or her death 1843 - 1850. This one was aged 6

Deaths Mar Qtr 1848
Brown Elizabeth Driffield 23 31

Not all marriages are on FamilySearch. They even seem to have fewer now than some years ago.


It it is not Elizabeth then there are 9 possible deaths in Driffield 1843 -1850.


Where is Maria in 1851?

That's the only Maria Ann birth reg I can find but it does not seem to fit. So it fits somehow or there is no birth reg for her.

 

[DaveHam9]

Married names and year of death for four daughters?? Any mother's name listed on the deaths?


Maria Ann Brown
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Jan 1838
Christening Place GREAT DRIFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name James Brown
Mother's Name Eliza

Death
BROWN, ELIZA age 30
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 35

 

[leslee]

Nothing on certs to give me any leads tho...

Ann Bowen d. 18 Nov 1913, Broken Hill, NSW
Maria Ann Bennett d. 14 April 1912, Moy Hall, South Oz
Harriet Smith d. 14 Aug 1921, Cheltenham, South Oz
Margaret Harding d. 31 Aug 1928, Hyde Park, South Oz

 

[DaveHam9]

James Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Driffield, Great, Yorkshire,Yorkshire East Riding
Residence Note Promise Square
Birthplace Yorkshire
Registration District Driffield Union
Parish Driffield, Great
County Yorkshire,Yorkshire East Riding
Page Number 12
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1217/32
James Brown M 25 Yorkshire
Eliza Brown F 24 Yorkshire
Ann Brown F 1 Yorkshire

Again, where is Maria ? One birth reg for a Maria Ann but not the right one.

24 in 1841 and 30 in 1847 would fit for death of Eliza. But I can't find a marriage to an Eliza Pickering.

 

[leslee]

Maria Ann Brown
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Jan 1838
Christening Place GREAT DRIFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name James Brown
Mother's Name Eliza

Death
BROWN, ELIZA age 30
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 35

Maria Ann birth looks like a definite... and the death for Eliza could be worth a look at...I reckon

 

[DaveHam9]

The baptism looks right for Maria Ann but there seems to be no birth reg. Also where is she in 1841 and 1851?

The death for Eliza looks right.

Marriage to Pickering not on FS or FreeREG.