James DALZIEL

[DaveHam9]

James DALZIEL b. 28 May 1835 Glenorchy and Inishail, Argyll
Robert DALZIEL & Ann ELDER

1841
Piece: SCT1841/628 Place: Cambusnethan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 628 Page: 5
Address: Wishawton
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DALZIEL Robert M 35 Carpenter House Lanarkshire
DALZIEL Ann F 30 Lanarkshire
DALZIEL Agnes F 10 Lanarkshire
DALZIEL Janet F 7 Lanarkshire
DALZIEL James M 5 Outside Census County (1841)
DALZIEL John M 3 Outside Census County (1841)
DALZIEL Robert M 4d Lanarkshire
ELDER Mary F 25 Nurse Lanarkshire


The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861) - Saturday 9 June 1860 p.2
MARRIAGES.
June 5th, at the house of Mr. John Slaughter, Creek-street, Brisbane, by the Rev. B. G. Wilson, B.M., Baptist Minister, Mr. James A. Dalzell, of Glasgow, to Miss Mary Bale, second daughter of Mr. John Bale, Builder, Brisbane.


I'd like a look up please for James in 1851. The name is DALZELL in some records.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

I don't know how sure you are of the parents, DAve but found this one quite interesting with the similarities of occupations etc.

1 Waterside Village, Waterside, Ayrshire 1 11 30

James Dalziell Head Married Male 55 1796 House Carpenter (Master Employing 10 Men) Wishaw, Lanark Transcription
Margaret Dalziell Wife Married Female 43 1808 - Wishaw, Lanark Transcription
James Dalziell Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Journeyman Carpenter Inistranie, Argyllshire Transcription
Robert Dalziell Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Scholar Oban, Argyllshire Transcription
Ann Dalziell Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 - Wishaw, Lanark Transcription
William Dalziell Son Unmarried Male 7 1844 Scholar Wishaw, Lanark Transcription
John Dalziell Son - Male 4 1847 - Wishaw, Lanark

Ancestree has James born in Wishaw, this site has James born in Argyll

Can't find any other James born in Argyl

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thanks for looking.

It looks like the right birth record in Argyll with this death in Queensland:

31 Oct 1921/C03652 Dalzell James Allan - Robert Dalzell - Annie Elder

Marriage notice shows a middle initial 'A' and middle name in E/R:

1919 QLD Electoral Roll - Lilley - Nambour
DALZELL James Allan, Diddillibah, Woombye, contractor
DALZELL Mary, Diddillibah, Woombye, home duties

I wonder if we can prove Mary ELDER is Ann's sister.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

It would seem with the same middle initial that this is the correct arrival:

Unassisted to Victoria
DALZELL JAS A Age 19 - JAN 1857 TUDOR B 119 005
Joiner - To Melbourne

so James should be in 1851 census.

Don't know the port of departure yet.

 

[horse]

so James should be in 1851 census.

Don't know the port of departure yet.

The image has embarkation as Liverpool.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff,

That one is not on the OzShips list for 1857 voyage.

Don't think he lived in Liverpool for 6 years. :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Ann's parents John ELDER & Agnes BRUCE according to her death certifiate.

Can't see a birth/baptism for Mary on FS with same parents.

 

[horse]

Don't think he lived in Liverpool for 6 years. :biggrin:

No, though there is very little info about him

 

[DaveHam9]

No, though there is very little info about him

We must be reading the same tree for Mary BALE:

James is one of those lost souls for whom little is known. If you are able to give James a family to live with, I would be most pleased to hear about it.

 

[horse]

Quote:
James is one of those lost souls for whom little is known. If you are able to give James a family to live with, I would be most pleased to hear about it. End Quote.

I've seen a couple of trees but not that one :2fun:

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Any sign of his parents in 1851?

FreeCEN has 100% coverage of Lanark in 1851, so I'd better look.

1861
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Stewarton St., Wishaw
Dalziel Robert Head 60 Builder Wishaw
Dalziel Ann Wife 54 Carluke
Dalziel Agnes dau 26 Wishaw
Dalziel Jessie 24 Wishaw

 

[horse]

Was she Mary Lloyd Bale?

A couple of trees have them back in Scotland by 1871, the census is not unconvincing....

 

[DaveHam9]

Her mother was Hannah LLOYD but I don't think Mary had a middle name.

Birth, marriage and death records have no middle name.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find Robert or Ann or James in Lanark in 1851.

 

[horse]

I can't find Robert or Ann or James in Lanark in 1851.

Nor me, just checking other areas

 

[DaveHam9]

No birth/bap on FS for the youngest children John and Robert.

 

[horse]

DALZIEL Robert M 35 Carpenter House Lanarkshire
DALZIEL Ann F 30 Lanarkshire
DALZIEL Agnes F 10 Lanarkshire
DALZIEL Janet F 7 Lanarkshire
DALZIEL James M 5 Outside Census County (1841)
DALZIEL John M 3 Outside Census County (1841)
DALZIEL Robert M 4d Lanarkshire
ELDER Mary F 25 Nurse Lanarkshire

Interesting that James and John not BIC, so the family had previously been elsewhere, i.e. Argyll

 

[horse]

Same thoughts

 

[DaveHam9]

I wanted to trace John or Robert but can't even find them on SP.

I can't find the marriage of Robert to Ann ELDER either.

 

[horse]

A bit sparse...

Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Robert Dalziel
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ann Elder
Child: James Dalziel