James Harris & Hello, let me introduce myself.....

[plumber12]

My name is Victor and I found this site by accident.
I have been researching my family for a few months and find it interesting but expensive (ba humbug).
I have hit a brick wall with my great grandfather on my grandmothers side.

Census: 1901
Name: James HARRISS
b: abt 1869
Where born: Sandburgh Road, Holloway, London

I have been in touch with Heritage Officer, Islington Local History Centre,
Finsbury Library.
They say that there is no Sandburgh Road but there is a Sonderberg Road.

So at this moment I am at a loss.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

1881 Census.

James E. Harris
Age: 12
abt 1869
Relation: Son
Mother -Amelia Harris

Born - London Holloway, Middlesex.
Civil parish: Wilnecote
Warwickshire

Address - Kettlebrook, Dumolos Row.

Reg district. Tamworth
Sub-reg dist. - Fazeley
ED. 4

Piece: 2770
Folio: 91
Page Number: 26

Amelia Harris 35. b.Kings Cross, London (Married, not a widow).
Amelia R. Harris 14. b.Plumpstead, Kent. Occ. Tape weaver.
James E. Harris 12
William M. Harris 10.b. Derby.
Louisa J. Harris 7. b. Oxford.
Henry G. Harris 2. b. Tamworth.

James Edward Harris
Baptism
Date: 31 Jan 1869
Father - William Mills Harris. Occ. Plasterer.
Mother - Amelia Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union, Hornsey Rise
Islington, London.



Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

I think this is the same family in another 1881 census.

James R. Harris
Age: 12
abt 1869

Mother-Amelia Harris

Born - London Islington , London.
Civil parish: Croydon
Surrey.
Address: 62 Forster Rd.
Reg dist - Croydon
Sub-reg dist - Croydon
ED-31

Amelia Harris 35 b. Islington. (Widow).
Amelia R. Harris 14 b. Plumpstead.
James R. Harris 12
William M. Harris 9. b. Parker Street, Derbyshire.
Louisa A. Harris 7. St. Holdester, Oxford. (St.Aldates).
Harry G. Harris 2. b.Warwick.


Steve.

 

[davelambert271]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

Hi Victor,

welcome to the forum

can you give some indication of how you get to James, ie who he married, just to confirm we are on the right track.

1871 census, they are in Derby, recorded as DARRIS

Ref RG10-3561-108-25

William M 26 Islington, Plasterer
Amelia 25 Islington
James Ed 2 Hornsey
Amelia R 4 Plumstead

living, Parker St, St Alkmund, Derby
(william was born here later this year)

dave

 

[plumber12]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

Dave info:

1901 Census:
AGE: 32
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: ABT 1869
RELATION: HEAD
SPOUSE'S NAME: BEATRICE
HARRISS
GENDER: MALE
WHERE BORN: SANDBURGH RD
HOLLOWAY
CIVIL PARISH: CLERKENWELL
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: ST SILAS
PENTONVILLE
COUNTY/ISLAND: LONDON
COUNTRY: ENGLAND
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: HOLBORN
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT:
AMWELL
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 4
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER:
163
PIECE: 251
FOLIo: 117
PAGE NUMBER: 20

************
First legal marriage:
Beatrice Matilda Mitchell - George Neil - 1892 Vol 1b Page 826.

1893 - George Neal died: Vol 1c Page 27

1901 - Census James Harriss married/lived with my great grandmother Beatrice Matilda (nee Mitchell).
First child name: Florence - b: 1895 - Chapel Street - London

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

1901.

James Harriss 32. Occ. Removal Carman.
Beatrice Harriss 27. b.Marylebone (Wife).
George Neail 9. son.?? b.Islington.
Florence Harriss 6. b.Islington.
Ada Harriss .4 b.Holloway.
Marie Harriss 1. b. St. Lukes, City Road.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

Do you have his marriage cert, and does it give fathers name.?

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

I gather Beatrice Harriss married a Edward Great b.1872. St.Luke, London.

1911.

Edward Great 39. Occ. Sealskin unhairer.
Beatrice Great 37. b. Marylebone. Married 2 years. No children to this marriage.
Florence Harriss 15. b. Islington.
Ada Harriss 13. b.Holloway.
James Harriss 8. Clerkenwell.
Beatrice Harriss 6.------"-----
Benjamin Harriss 4.------"-----


Steve.

 

[leefer]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

Welcome to the forum Victor.....all the best with your research.

Lee

 

[davelambert271]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

Hi Victor

thanks for the details, we need the 1891 census (or marriage cert) to match the 1881 and 1901 census details

Sorry but I'm having trouble finding it

dave

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

I think this is the same family in another 1881 census.

James R. Harris
Age: 12
abt 1869

Mother-Amelia Harris

Born - London Islington , London.
Civil parish: Croydon
Surrey.
Address: 62 Forster Rd.
Reg dist - Croydon
Sub-reg dist - Croydon
ED-31

Amelia Harris 35 b. Islington. (Widow).
Amelia R. Harris 14 b. Plumpstead.
James R. Harris 12
William M. Harris 9. b. Parker Street, Derbyshire.
Louisa A. Harris 7. St. Holdester, Oxford. (St.Aldates).
Harry G. Harris 2. b.Warwick.


Steve.

Louise Amy Harris was baptised, 7 Oct 1874 @ St.Aldates, Oxford. Born, 24 July 1874. William Harris Occupation was Plaisterer(Plasterer).

This is from Oxfordshire FHS - St.Aldates PR's transricpts CD.


Steve.

 

[plumber12]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

I have the 1911 Census for Beatrice Matilda Great (NEAL, HARRISS nee MITCHELL).
I have a marriage certificate for my grandmother Beatrice Mary for 1924 and by then James Harriss is dead.
the 1911 Census info states that the last child born to BMH and JH was Benjamine Harriss 1907.

the 1911 census info states that Beatrice Matilda Great and Edward Great were married for 2 years. So I anssume that JH must be dead.

I am unable to locate a marriage cert for:
Edward Great - Beatrice Matilda Great
James Harriss - Beatrice Matilda Harriss

No Birth Cert for James Harriss

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Hello, let me introduce myself.....

1881 Census.

William M. Harris
Age: 36
abt 1845
Relation - Boarder.

Where born: London Islington , London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Surrey

Address - 62 Forster Rd
Condition as to marriage - Married

Occupation - Plasterer.

Reg dist - Croydon
Sub-reg - Croydon
ED-31

James Rogers 34
Annie Rogers 21
Mary A. Rogers 12
Mark Rogers 9
Frank Rogers 6
Ellen Rogers
William Rogers 56
William M. Harris 36
William Coleman 62


Same household as Amelia & family, also sharing the household with the Rogers family.



William Miles Harris. Occ. Plasterer.
Age: Full Age
Spouse - Amelia Hopkins
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jul 1865
Parish: Islington Holy Trinity
Borough: Islington
Father - James Edward Harris. Occ. Bricklayer.
Spouse Father - Samuel Hopkins. Occ. Nursery man.
Register Type: Parish Register


Possible birth reg.

James Edward Harris
Jan-Feb-Mar 1869
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 342



Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Possible marriage.

James Harris
Oct-Nov-Dec 1893
Registration district: Whitechapel
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 5_4


No brides listed.


Steve.

 

[davelambert271]

I wonder if you can't find the marriages of Beatrice Harriss to Edward Great and Beatrice Neal to James Harriss is because there wasn't one

It could be that James Harris married an Eliza Hinson in Sep 1890 in Islington, on 1891 census RG12-155-67-71, James being born Barnsbury (in the district of Islington around the Holloway/Hornsey area). He is recorded as 24, a car man

We know Beatrice was married to George Neal so did she and James both leave their respective partners to live together without a divorce

dave

 

[p.risboy]

I was thinking the same thing Dave. These Harris's have given me a headache, and I don't think there is much else to do until a few certs have been bought.

 

[plumber12]

Thanks everybody but it looks like it is a dead end with Harriss.

To put everyone in the picture.

Beatrice Matilda Mitchell (I have the birth cert). Vol 1a Page 560 (1873)

Legal Marriage BMM (20) to George Neal (25) (I have the marriage cert) Vol 1b Page 826 (Jan 18 1892)

George Neal (Son) Birth (I have the birth cert) Vol 1b Page 296 (March 27 1892)

George Neal (26) (Father) Death Vol 1c Page 27 (Apr- June 1893)

James Harriss ???????

James Harriss (32) Beatrice Matilda (27) 1901 Census married/living together.

Edward Great (39) Beatrice Matilda (37) 1911 Census married/living together.

Edward Great death Vol 01c Page 424 (22 May 1912) (I have the death Cert).

Beatrice Matilda and William John Porter married/living together between 1912 >>>

Beatrice Matilda PORTER (49) death Vol 01c Page 480 (November 8 1921)

 

[p.risboy]

In all honesty, I would purchase this cert, and see where/what address he was born at.

Possible birth reg.

James Edward Harris
Jan-Feb-Mar 1869
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 342


'Holloway is an inner-city district in the London Borough of Islington located 3.8 miles (6.1 km) north of Charing Cross and follows for the most part, the line of the Holloway Road (A1 road)'.

But, it's your money.

Oh, and Sonderburgh Road(Hornsey) is just off the Holloway Road. The baptism I gave you was from St.Mary's, Hornsey Rise, Islington.

Also:

Amelia Rainbow Harris
Baptism - 31 Jan 1869 Born - (9 Nov 1866).
Father - William Miles Harris. Occ. Plasterer.
Mother - Amelia Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hornsey Rise
Borough: Islington


Steve.