James & Helen THOM

[DaveHam9]

Helen Armstrong b. 18 Jul 1841
baptism date: 3 Oct 1841 Cathcart, Renfrew

James THOM
Marriage: 31 Dec 1861 Tradeston, Lanark

Death 1908 Helen THOM (ARMSTRONG) b. 1841 +/-2 Pollokshields, Lanark

I'd like a look up please for Helen in 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

Helen is not easy to find, this could be offspring Willim and Helen, but little confidence

1891
Reg No: 644/14
Registration district: Kinning Park
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 104 Henderson Street
Occupation: Contractors Carter
ED: 59; Page: 4; Line: 21; Roll: CSSCT1891_299

William Thom 25 [b. Govanhill. Contractor's carter]
Edith Thom 26 wife [b. Sweden, British subject] [Edith Walker is alternate name for this record]
Helen Thom 20 sister [b. Glasgow. Wire winder]
Helen Walker 49 m-i-l [b. Crosshill, Renfrewshire]
Isabella Walker 8 s-i-l [b. Johnstone, Renfrewshire]

Something not right

Geoff

 

[horse]

That must be an error in 1891, Edith's surname is Carlson not Walker, I wonder if the 'Helen' is a remarried 'Walker' and William's mother, not M-i-L

Geoff

 

[horse]

That must be an error in 1891, Edith's maiden name is Carlson not Walker, I wonder if the 'Helen' is a remarried 'Walker' and William's mother, not M-i-L
Geoff

Reg No: 644/14A
RD: Kinning Park Landward
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 26 Tower St
Occupation: Carter (grocer's)
ED: 24; Page: 2; Line: 25; Roll: CSSCT1901_323

William Thom 35 [b. Govanhill]
Edith Mary Thom 36 [b. Sweden]
John M Carlson 73 f-i-l [do]
Mary H Carlson 77 m-i-l [do]

William wont have 2 mother's-in-law at the same time

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not found a marriage, but found a couple of trees now, they have Helen marrying a Robert Walker in 1880, not validated..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

This looks too complicated to be my tree. :2fun:

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

This looks too complicated to be my tree. :2fun:

:2fun:

And I thought par for the course.. :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Something is not right.

 

[horse]

Something is not right.

Yep, echoed in post #2

 

[DaveHam9]

Carlson is a rare name in Scotland so to have two of them in my tree - one connected to McLuckie and one connected to Malcolm family (which is connected to McLuckie) makes me wonder what is going on.


1891
Piece:498 Folio:14 Page: 10
Registration District: Kirkintilloch
Civil Parish: Kirkintilloch
County: Dunbartonshire
Address: Kinnoul, Kirkintilloch
CARLSTON, Edward Head Married M 32 1859 Shipping Agent Sweden
CARLSTON, Mary Wife Married F 27 1864 Wife Of Agent Glasgow, Lanarkshire
CARLSTON, Ernest Son M 2 1889 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
CARLSTON, Edward P Son M 0 (7 MO) 1891 Lenzie, Dunbartonshire
ROBERTSON, Mary Ant In Law Widow F 59 1832 House Keeper (Gen Do Sev)
Glasgow, Lanarkshire


1901
626 Folio:5 Page: 13
Registration District: Cadder
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Gowanbrae, Victoria Road, Cadder
CARLSON, Carl Edward Head Married M 42 1859 Ship Broker Sweden (Nat British Sub)
CARLSON, Mary M Wife Married F 38 1863 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
CARLSON, Carl E Son M 12 1889 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
CARLSON, Edward P Son M 10 1891 Scholar Lenzie, Dumbartonshire
CARLSON, Emma W Daughter F 4 1897 Lenzie, Dumbartonshire
ROBERTSON, Mary M Wife's Aunt Widow F 70 1831 Glasgow, Lanarkshire

 

[horse]

Yeah, will take some fathoming, but post #4 probably holds the basic answers

 

[DaveHam9]

This is the aunt:

Mary MALCOLM b. 27 Apr 1830 c. 30 May 1830 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
Porterfield MALCOLM & Agnes GILMOUR

Archibald Hunter ROBERTSON & Mary Lyle MALCOLM
Marriage 13 Jul 1855 Hutchesontown, Lanark

I have no idea how the niece Mary born abt 1863 Glasgow fits in. Is she a Malcolm or a Robertson?

Where is the marriage to Carl/Edward Carlson?

I can't find the marriage of William THOM to Edith.

 

[horse]

I can't find the marriage of William THOM to Edith.

Back to the tree, there is one that has this, not validated..

"Marriage to Edith Mary Carlson
1888
23 Mar
Age: 22
Dist Gorbals, Co Lanark, Scotland"

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So far I've only checked FS for marriages and baptisms.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can find nothing for 1891 and this for 1881:

Name: Helen Thoms
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Birthplace: Renfrewshire
Registration District: Gourock
County: Renfrewshire


I'm wondering if THOM/THOMS has turned into THOMAS.

 

[DaveHam9]

This is interesting:

James Thom born in 1906. Parents were William Thom and Mary (Edith) Carlson. They were married in 1888 and lived in Tradeston, Scotland according to marriage certificate. Marriage certificate indicates that William's father was also James Thom and his mother was Helen Armstrong. William immigrated to USA around 1911 with Mary and James following in 1912. They moved to Canada and homesteaded in Alberta in 1914. William died in 1916. We have no birth records on any of these individuals and have not been able to find any records as of this time all dates and information we have are unverified.

...Jas Thom and he may have been born in 1908 not 1906. Mary and Jas apparently came over to Ellis Island, then to Chicago then immigrated with William to Alberta Canada. They apparently came over on the ship Caledonia in 1912.

 

[DaveHam9]

William Thom
Birth Date: 24 May 1865 Govan, Lanark
Father's Name: James Thom
Mother's Name: Helen Armstrong
Batch: C116461