James & Jane IRELAND

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That is the Parish of Camperdown on the A... set of Anglican Sydney PR??

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Name:
Susannah Ireland
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
19 Jan 1823
Christening Place:
ST PHILIP SYDNEY NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
Birth Date:
01 Jan 1811
Birthplace:
BORN IN, LONDON, LONDON, ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Edmund Ireland
Mother's Name:
Ann

I have the image of the original register and the name is Suzannah and there is no place of birth on the record.

 

[DaveHam9]

Suzannah born 1811 and noted as born London and Edmund born 1815 and not noted as born London therefore arrival 1811 - 1815 ??

Marriage in England for Edmund & Ann ??

 

[horse]

therefore arrival 1811 - 1815 ??

Possible..

Pardon suggests 1812.

NSW, Convict Registers of Conditional and Absolute Pardons, 1788-1870:
Edmund Ireland
Origin Place: Devon, England
Trial Location: Surrey, England
Conviction Date: 27 Mar 1811Arrival year: 1802 [1812 user submission]
Pardon Date: 31 Jan 1814
Vessel Name: Guildford
Record Type: Absolute
[Occ = Cooper]

*3y sentence, not seen one that small before, especially transported?

Geoff

EDIT: *Unless commuted

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Oh. Another convict. One day I'll have to go way out west to Kingsford to NSW Archives. Might be easier to go to Kew and look up the same HO records.

Very odd for 3 years.

Dave

 

[horse]

May be one or two errors in some records or there are 2x Edmund Ireland?

Geoff

 

[horse]

Very odd for 3 years.

There is another possible conviction in 1805, but sentence = 'whipped'. Poor image.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Edmund IRELAND Conditional Pardon - [4/4427; COD18, Reel 601 page 656]

Edmund IRELAND Guildford 1812 Conditional Pardon 31 Jan 1814 - [4/4430; Reel 774 Page 079]

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Nothing more on NSW Records site. Looking at other sites. One gives 404 error.

https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/ireland/edmund/102235

Says housebreaking and life.

 

[horse]

Edmund IRELAND Conditional Pardon - [4/4427; COD18, Reel 601 page 656]

Edmund IRELAND Guildford 1812 Conditional Pardon 31 Jan 1814 - [4/4430; Reel 774 Page 079]

Yeah, the records with Guilford as the vessel looks to be correct.

Geoff

 

[horse]

This is a very early arrival

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

This is a very early arrival

Geoff

Not really. Started in 1788.


Makes no sense. If it was 'life' then no CP after 2 years.

 

[horse]

Not really. Started in 1788.

I mean compared to what we usually deal with.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Ann [nee Miller] his wife was described as a widow in 1822 muster.

 

[DaveHam9]

I mean compared to what we usually deal with.

Geoff

Yes.

Had no thought Edmund was a convict.


Ann and daughter Suzannah came free per the ship Broxbornebury in 1814 ??

Not listed.

https://www.jenwilletts.com/convict_ship_broxbornebury_1814.htm

 

[DaveHam9]

No death/burial in NSW index for Edmund / Ed* 1814 - 1822.

Been searching Trove.

Only the cabin passengers listed on Broxbornebury.

 

[horse]

No death/burial in NSW index for Edmund / Ed* 1814 - 1822.

Found a few trees now, a couple have 1822 and at least on has 1851 [not validated].

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

3124/1823 V18233124 3B DAWSON JOHN TK WM - IRELAND ANN - CA= Church of England Sydney, St Phillips

274/1823 V1823274 8 DAWSON JOHN F W - IRELAND ANN - CA

 

[horse]

London therefore arrival 1811 - 1815 ??

Marriage in England for Edmund & Ann ??

One tree points to this not validated.

"Marriage
abt 1801 England
Anne Miller
(1787–1830)"

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Henry born May 1821. 1822 seems to fit then.

Dave