James John WALL

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I have the following details from a marriage certificate.

James John WALL b. ? Greenwich, Kent - parents Charles Robert WALL & Emma Spray ? STEPHENS. ?

John's spouse was born in 1865 and they married in 1893 in NSW so that gives a rough idea when John was born.

So far I've not found the marriage of Charles to Emma. I have not found James' death or his arrival in Australia. One of the witnesses to the marriage in 1893 was a Dudley Charles WALL.

Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

Maybe him, Dave.

1881 census.

James J. Wall
Age: 13
abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father-Charles R. Wall
Mother-Emma S. Wall

Borb - Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul

Address - 64, Manor Rd.

Charles R. Wall 48. b.London, Middx. - Occ. Gypsum Merchant.
Emma S. Wall 44. b.Portsmouth.
Robert T. Wall 18
William D. Wall 15
James J. Wall 13
Frank H.R. Wall 8
Dudley C. Wall 6
Emma Burke 24. Servant. b.Rochester, Kent.

All kids born Greenwich.

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1871 census.

James Wall
Age: 3
abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father-Charles Wall
Mother-Emma Wall

Born Greenwich, Kent.

Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County-Kent

Charles Wall 38. Occ.Commercial Clerk.
Emma Wall 34
Robert Wall 8
William Wall 5
James Wall 3
Ernest Wall 1
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1861 census.

Charles Wall
Age: 29
abt 1832.
Father - Charles Dudley Wall

Born - St Giles Cripplegate, Middlesex, England
Greenwich St Alphege
County-Kent

Address - 8, Denby Place......(diffo to read).

Charles Dudley Wall 60. Occ. Formerly Commercial clerk.
Fanny Wall 31. No profession. b.St.Giles.
Charles Wall 29. Occ.Wharf Clerk.
Frank Wall 12. b.Peckham.
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Death reg.

Charles D Wall
abt 1801
Jan-Feb-Mar 1866
Age 65
Greenwich
London
V-1d
P-507

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1851 census.

Charles Dewall
Age: 19
abt 1832

Father-Charles Dewall
Mother-Sophia Dewall

Born: Cripplegate, London.
County-Middlesex

Address - 13, Holly Street.(diffo to read).

R/D - Hackney
Sub-Hackney

Charles Dewall 50. Clerk at the exhibition.
Sophia Dewall 48. b.Bexley, Kent.
Charles Dewall 19. Occ.Wharf Clerk. b.Cripplegate.
Fanny Dewall 20. b.Cripplegate.
Robert Dewall 17. b.Cripplegate.
James Dewall 11. b.Islington.
Mary Dewall 5. b.Camberwell.
Frank Dewall 2. b.Camberwell.
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1841 census.

Charles Wall
Age: 9
abt 1832
Gender: Male
Born-Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Mary Islington West
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County Middlesex.

Address - Brooksby Street(diffo to read).

Reg dist - Islington


Charles Walle 40. Occ. ? ? ? Clerk.
Sophia Wall 35
Charles Wall 9
Robert Wall 7
James Wall 2
Fanny Wall 11
Emma Wall 4
Frances Wall 13

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Possible Marriage.

Charles Robert Wall
Jan-Feb-Mar 1862
Lewisham
London
V-1d
Page-799

Bride listed as Emma Spry Stephens.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Long shot passenger list.

James Wall
abt 1870
Age: 17
Arrival - 6 Mar 1887
Arrival Port: Hobart, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Garonne
Nationality: English



Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

Well now. You like the English ones. :2fun:

Thank you very much. I think the 'Dudley' bit must have helped. Dudley should be in the shipping records also. I can't see his arrival or a marriage or his death in NSW but he was a witness to the 1893 marriage of his brother James. Very clearly says Dudley Charles Wall.

I'll see if I can confirm that arrival. Ok, that vessel is not on the Bounty list so I can't look up the origin and occupation for James on-line.

Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

I thought the 1851 cenus return was funny though, Charles D. Wall/Dewall.:2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. No doubt you have the right family. Charles is listed as a merchant in the marriage record. And the census have Emma S. The 'Spry' / 'Spray' was a bit hard to read.

Dudley is a bit of a mystery. I know were he was on 8 May 1893. :2fun: In the Wesleyan Church at Camden, NSW. I wonder if it is coincidence or not that the minister was a William WALL.

 

[p.risboy]

Yes. No doubt you have the right family. Charles is listed as a merchant in the marriage record. And the census have Emma S. The 'Spry' / 'Spray' was a bit hard to read.

Dudley is a bit of a mystery. I know were he was on 8 May 1893. :2fun: In the Wesleyan Church at Camden, NSW. I wonder if it is coincidence or not that the minister was a William WALL.

Broke that WALL.:2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Must have been made of poor quality bricks.

I have found a tree but no death for James.