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James Knox-County Down

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I am looking for information about James KNOX b.about 1780 in County Down,Northern Ireland,d.about 1819 poss.Kilkeel. He married Ellen IRVING/IRVINE b.1782 in Mourne,d.April 9,1867 in Saint John,N.B.,Canada. He had five children,according to "First Families of New Brunswick"(New Brunswick Genealogical Society),but only two are confirmed:

(order given in the book)

1.William Knox b.1810 Kilkeel,d.October 1871 Saint John from consumption. Md.July 28,1838 Saint John Jane Eliza McLaren b.1821 Ture,Donegal,Ireland,.before 1900 d/o Robert and Elizabeth McLaren.
2.Elizabeth Jane Knox b.1819,md.John McLaren(Jane's brother).
3.James Knox(not confirmed)
4.Ellen Knox(not confirmed)
5.Charles Knox(not confirmed)

(It could be possible that these younger three,if they existed,died on the voyage to Canada.)

Although I do not know James' parents,I do know that he had a brother George b.abt.1779,d.1846 in Saint John. George married Margaret Marsden McKee who also died in 1867;their son William died in Moruya,NSW,Australia in 1881.
 

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Thomas Knox was the first of the Knox family line to immigrate to Ireland. He moved to Belfast in the 1660s and his grandson earned the title of Earl of Ranfurly. Many Scotts Irish Knox families exist in Tyrone and Fermanagh to this day.
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The first recorded spelling of the surname of Knox was found in Scotland in the year 1260. One John de Cnoc (also recorded as Knoc) was a charter witness who was recorded and mentioned in the Charter Lists of Renfrewshire, Scotland. In Scotland, those who bore the surname of Knox is commonly spelled as Knock. The Knock families reside in high concentrations in County Renfrewshire.

https://coadb.com/surnames/knox-arms.html

Sorry I am not finding any in county Down .I do know some records were lost 1920 when the building in Belfast was burned.

Regarding the Scottish record of that name ,there is an area in Renfrewshire called knock ,just north from Largs and away from the coast.

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NSW Death 1881 KNOX WILLIAM - GEORGE - mother UNKNOWN - district BROULEE #6859

Some records were also lost in 1922 in Four Courts fire in Dublin.

I have Knox in my tree but can't see a connection.

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Sharpe's Peerage of the British Empire exhibiting its present ..., Volume 2
By John SHARPE (Publisher.

The Lord Semple that is mentioned was from Castle Semple near the Knock north of Largs that I mentioned earlier. Urcher Knox ,son of John Knox of Ranfurly or (Griff Castle) married Janet daughter of Wiliam Semple.

THE PEERAGE OF IRELAND:
By MERVYN ARCHDALL

They are all google books to be found online.

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Wingweaver,

You haven’t said what denomination the Knox & Irvine families were, though Presbyterian seems likely for the Knox family anyway. However whatever the denomination, the unfortunate news is that no church in the Kilkeel area has any records for the period 1780 – 1810 that you are interested in. The Church of Ireland has the oldest records, starting in 1816. There are 3 Presbyterian churches there (Kilkeel, Mourne & Annalong) but 1839 is the earliest baptism or marriage record. So unfortunately it may not be possible to locate any church records for this family.

None of these churches was affected by the 1922 fire in Dublin, because none had any records stored there. It was simply that many churches didn’t keep records in Ireland in the 1700s and early 1800s, plus a few have been lost locally due to negligence or water damage.

Some general information on Kilkeel here from Raymond’s Co. Down site:

http://countydown.x10.mx/html/index2.htm

Re the word Knock, it is the anglicised version of the Gaelic “Cnoc”. It just means hill, and consequently there’s hundreds of places with that name in both Ireland and Scotland. I would not expect it to have any connection with the surname Knox.
 

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The complete Knox records 450-2009 17, April 2015 - The Knox Family

As like so many incomers to Ireland ,not all records survived. Next best thing you can find is where the First person with that Surname came from. Earl of Ranfurley, Knox, of Dungannon, in the County of Tyrone, and Baron Ranfurly, of Ramphorlie in the County of Renfrew,(similar) The great Stewarts of Scotland, also granted to the common ancestors of this family, the lands of Ranfurley, Upper Craigends, and Grieff-Castle all in fee. It also states a Knox in Ireland inherited from his uncle in Glasgow. This Family was living 2mls from where I stay . Hugh Montgomery of Braidstone in Beith is about a mile from where I stay. My family went over with Hugh Montgomery to Ards c1634 . They became Church of Ireland .I know the Knox's did not like Mary Queen of Scots who was RC

The Mongomerys were Huguenots
"EAGLESHAM, a parish, in the county of Renfrew, 9 miles (S.) from Glasgow; containing 2428 inhabitants, of whom 1801 are in the village. This place, which is of considerable antiquity, is supposed to have derived its name, of Celtic origin, from the erection of its ancient church. It formed part of the district of Mearns, and, together with other lands, was granted by David I., King of Scotland, to Walter, son of Alan, the first of the Stuarts, from whom Robert de Montgomerie, of Oswestry, in England, procured the manor of Eaglesham about the middle of the twelfth century. After the accession of the Stuarts to the Scottish throne, it was held by Robert's descendant, John de Montgomerie, who also obtained the baronies of Eglinton and Ardrossan, by marriage with Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Hugh Eglinton by Egidia, sister of Robert II.; and this John de Montgomerie, with the ransom of Harry Percy, surnamed Hotspur, whom he had taken prisoner at the battle of Otterburn in 1388, erected here the castle of Polnoon, of which there are still some vestiges remaining.
" The Earls of Eglington's castle was in Kilwinning (home town) ,and he had a Summer residence in Ardrossan (ThePavillion ).
From what I see of Steventon birth records ,the Surname Stevenson disappeared around 1634 , do know however from an old book the people that left Scotland with Hugh Montgomery were from North Ayrshire and some from around Stranraer. A descendant of Mongomery went to America and called his estate "Ardrossan"

Many old records only give the heirs and not all the offsprings. There was bad feeling amongst the Lords of
Castle Semple in Renfrewshire, Scotland.( It is situated near the eastern end of Castle Semple Loch, within Clyde Muirshiel Regional Park.,and William Sempill married into the Knox of Ramphorlie ) and the Mongomerys.

Sorry I do like my History, but that is your roots.
 

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NameClaud KnoxGenderMaleChristening Date16 Nov 1712Christening PlaceABBEY PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLANDFather's NameJohn Knox

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"Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQWL-VJR : 10 February 2018), John Knox in entry for Claud Knox, 16 Nov 1712; citing ABBEY PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,041,088, 102,048.

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Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Did I see that name in Ireland Knox's
 

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Other information in the record of George Knockes
from Ireland Births and Baptisms
NameGeorge KnockesGenderMaleChristening Date09 Mar 1672Christening PlaceDERRY CATHEDRAL,TEMPLEMORE,LONDONDERRY,IRELANDFather's NameJohn Knockes

Citing this Record
"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRSJ-F2K : 11 February 2018), John Knockes in entry for George Knockes, 09 Mar 1672; citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 941.83 B4PRS V. 8.


St Columb's Cathedral in the walled city of Derry, Northern Ireland is the mother church of the Church of Ireland Diocese of Derry and Raphoe and the parish church of Templemore.

It is dedicated to Saint Columba, the Irish monk who established a Christian settlement in the area before being exiled from Ireland and introducing Christianity to Scotland and northern England.
 

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As Elwyn stated
Scotland. The forebear of the Knox family was said to have been Adamus, of Saxon origin, who received the barony of Cnoc or Knox in Renfrewshire as part of a dowry. The first recorded spelling of the name was that of John de Cnoc, his son, in 1260 in the charter lists for Renfrewshire. For many generations this family held the castle of Ranfurly (between present day Glasgow and Greenock
 
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Wingweaver,

You haven’t said what denomination the Knox & Irvine families were, though Presbyterian seems likely for the Knox family anyway. However whatever the denomination, the unfortunate news is that no church in the Kilkeel area has any records for the period 1780 – 1810 that you are interested in. The Church of Ireland has the oldest records, starting in 1816. There are 3 Presbyterian churches there (Kilkeel, Mourne & Annalong) but 1839 is the earliest baptism or marriage record. So unfortunately it may not be possible to locate any church records for this family.

None of these churches was affected by the 1922 fire in Dublin, because none had any records stored there. It was simply that many churches didn’t keep records in Ireland in the 1700s and early 1800s, plus a few have been lost locally due to negligence or water damage.

Some general information on Kilkeel here from Raymond’s Co. Down site:

http://countydown.x10.mx/html/index2.htm

Re the word Knock, it is the anglicised version of the Gaelic “Cnoc”. It just means hill, and consequently there’s hundreds of places with that name in both Ireland and Scotland. I would not expect it to have any connection with the surname Knox.
They were Presbyterian.
 

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St Columb's Cathedral in the walled city of Derry, Northern Ireland is the mother church of the Church of Ireland Diocese of Derry and Raphoe and the parish church of Templemore.

It is dedicated to Saint Columba, the Irish monk who established a Christian settlement in the area before being exiled from Ireland and introducing Christianity to Scotland and northern England.
NameGeorge KnockesGenderMaleChristening Date09 Mar 1672Christening PlaceDERRY CATHEDRAL,TEMPLEMORE,LONDONDERRY,IRELANDFather's NameJohn Knockes

I have Ch of Ireland at one time.
 

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The Early Scots Settler Families in Co.Down
Abercrombie, Adair x3, Adams, Agnew x2, Aicken, Allen, Anderson x2, Andrews,
Bailie x2, Barkley, Barkie x3, Bayly, Beatty, Blackwood, Blair x5, Boyd x3, Brackley, Brown,
Carlile, Carmichael, Carr, Carson, Cathcart x2, Catherwood, Chambers, Chermsides, Cooper, Cowper, Craig, Crawford x3, Crear, Cummings, Cunningham x13,
Danielston, Davidson, Dick, Dickson, Dodds, Douglas, Drennan, Drummond, Dufferin, Dunbar, Dunleath, Dunlop x3,
Echlin x4, Edmonston, Forsith, Frazer, Galloway, Galt, Galway, Gelston, Gemmil, Glen, Greenshields,
Hamilton x14, Hare, Haper x2, Harvey x2, Hilton, Hogg, Howie, Howson, Hunter, Innes, Julius,
Keevet, Kelly, Kelson, Kennedy x7, Kerr, Kilpatrick, Kirkpatrick, Kyle, Kylr, Leckey, Leslie, Lindsay, Lloyd, Logan x2,
Magee, Martin, Mathyson, Maxwell x5, Millar, Monett, Moneypenny x3, Montgomery x18, Moon, Moore x7, Mowlane, Murray x2,
McBurney, McBride, McCappin, McCartney, McCashin x2, McClelland, McCleery, McComb, McCrae, McCreedy, McCullen, McCurry,
McDonnell, McDougall x3, McDowell x2, McEwen, McGarry, McGee, McGifford, McIllevrath, McIlveyne,
McKay, McKee, McLarnan, McLellan x4, McLean, McMakene, McMaster, McMillan, McMullen, McNabb,
Nesbitt, Nevin, Nugent, Orr, Patrick, Patterson, Peacock, Peebles, Pollock x2,
Read, Reid x2, Reynolds, Robb, Ross x5, Rudd x2, Rutherford, Scott, Semple, Seton, Shaw x3, Spier, Stanehouse, Stanhouse, Stevenson, Stewart x2,
Tate, Thomson x2, Trail, Waddell, Walker, Wallace, Wanchop, Wardlaw, Watson, Welsh, Williamson, Wilson x4, Wylie, Wyms, Young​

A few little snippets.
Strangford Lough was originally called Lough Cuan
Conway Square was named after Sarah Frances Seymour-Conway Daughter-in-law to Alexander Stewart
Newtownards was once known as Ballylisnevin or "The townland of the Fort of the family Nevin"​
 

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