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James & Mary WYLIE

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Hello,

The next of the siblings.

1861
Name: Mary N Wylie
[Mary N Malcolm]
Age: 31 (1830) Wife
Spouse's: James Wylie
Mother: Mary S Malcolm
Born: Largs, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 602
District: Largs
Address: Lade Street, Largs
Occupation: Tinsmiths Wife
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 11
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_88
James Wylie 36
Mary N Wylie 31
Mary Wylie 8
James M Wylie 3
John Wylie 3 MO
Mary S Malcolm 67
I'd like a look up for the family in 1871 please.

This time I'm tracing both James and spouse Mary. This one has a clue - Mary's mother. ;)

Regards,

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Hello Barbara,

Thanks for looking. I have nothing to say they left Scotland. One widow and children ended up in Queensland (my line) and one related MALCOLM couple ended up in NZ. That's all that I know of who emigrated.

Mary's initial N = Newlands. I don't know where that comes from.

name: Mary Newlands Malcolm
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place: , LARGS, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 30 Mar 1830
birthplace: , Largs, Ayr, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Malcolm
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Shearer
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11602-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1041392
reference number: 2:16G2N88


I don't know what the initial M is for yet for son James. That was easy:

name: James Malcolm Wylie
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 03 Mar 1858
birthplace: LARGS,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Wylie
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Newlands Malcolm
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11602-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

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That's a large young family to suddenly go missing from the census. I have no idea where the Newlands middle name came from. Another mystery for my tree. :) I now wonder if they did emigrate but to where - Canada, NZ or Australia. ???
 

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It's a mystery to others as well. Look HERE.

The information is correct except for the marriage date - actually 31 Dec 1851.

Now that is interesting. I had no date but it has the date of 8 Apr 1815, Largs, Ayr for the marriage of James MALCOLM & Mary SHEARER.
 

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I just noticed the family were split in 1851. Father and daughter Mary N together. James not found after 1851.

1851
Piece: SCT1851/602 Place: Largs -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Largs Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Largs
Folio: 0 Page: 8 Schedule: 37
Address: Muirs Land
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MALCOLM James Head M M 62 Musisian & Weaver Ayrshire - Largs
MALCOLM Mary N Dau U F 21 Servant Ayrshire - Largs
Mother with other children:

1851
Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Gorbals -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 22
Civil Parish: Tradeston Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 621 Page: 6 Schedule: 25
Address: 12 Nelson Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MALCOLM William Head M M 33 Joiner (Journeyman) Ayrshire - Largs
MALCOLM Agnes Wife M F 35 Ayrshire - Largs ??
MALCOLM Mary Dau U F 9 Ayrshire - Largs
MALCOLM Janet Dau U F 7 Ayrshire - Largs
Page: 621/7
MALCOLM Mary Mother W F 56 Ayrshire - Largs
MALCOLM Alexander Brothr U M 15 Apprentice Boiler Maker Ayrshire - Largs
MALCOLM John Lodger U M 25 Warper Ayrshire - Largs
Something is wrong. Says Widow. Where is the error?
 
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This one is clear:

name: Mary Newlands Malcolm
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place: , LARGS, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 30 Mar 1830
birthplace: , Largs, Ayr, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Malcolm
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Shearer
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11602-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1041392
reference number: 2:16G2N88


Death 1863 Mary MALCOLM (SHEARER) Largs, Ayr, Scotland Age 69

The tree has no death for James senior. I took it to be 1851 - 1861 but it may have been before 1851 if that Muirs Land one is a different James with a Mary N the same age as mine also born Largs. ??? I can't see a 2nd Mary N with father = James. The Muirs Land James is shown as Married not Widowed. Even age 62 fits for James to be my James:

name: James Malcom
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Apr 1788
baptism/christening place: , LARGS, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Robert Malcom
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Janet Porterfeel

Did my tree need any more puzzles? :2fun:
 
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Well, full of surprises today. :D

name: James Malcolm Wylie
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 03 Mar 1858
birthplace: LARGS,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Wylie
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Newlands Malcolm
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11602-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


A marriage in Queensland. :eek:

1876/B5359 Wylie James Malcolm - Wallace Isabella
 

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Death in Queensland of James, spouse of Mary N MALCOLM:

1888/C0722 Wylie James - James Wylie - Janet Lade

Death of Mary:

1885/B17973 Wylie Mary Newlands - James Malcolm - Mary Shearer
 
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I had no idea this connected family to my direct line also ended up in Queensland.

Parents
groom's name: William Wallace
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Isabel Borland
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 23 Apr 1848
marriage place: Galston,Ayr,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11593-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1041377
reference number:

I can't find the family in 1851 and I can't find a birth in NSW or Qld. for daughter Isabella.
 
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This is the only one I can find who fits for age:

Assisted to Queensland
WYLIE James 12 'Warren Hastings' 20 Jun 1864 IMM/112 224 Z1957 M1696

No others listed on that vessel.
 

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A son of James Malcolm WYLIE & Isabella was named Robert John Alexander Lade WYLIE.

I don't mind he has his great grandmother's name LADE there. :2fun:

And, you were right, Barbara. They emigrated. I had no idea. :rolleyes:
 

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Hello!

I am currently researching the Wylie family for my family tree. I was just wondering if you have had any luck finding Isabella Wallace's birth date?
Thank you so much for the existing information you have provided. It has been a great help.
 

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Hello and welcome to the Forum.


No, still no birth for Isabella but we have solved part of the puzzle:

1st marriage
groom's name: William Wallace
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Isabel Borland
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 23 Apr 1848
marriage place: Galston, Ayr, Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11593-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1041377
reference number:

2nd marriage
groom's name: John Wilson Carey
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Isobel Borland
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 7 Jun 1850
marriage place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number:M11968-9

1851
Piece 622 Folio 332 Page 26
Registration District: Milton
County: Lanarkshire
Civil Parish: Barony
Address: Killermont Court, Barony
CAREY, John W Head Mar M 22 Cabinet Maker Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
CAREY, Isobel Wife Mar F 19 Galston, Ayrshire
CAREY, Isobel W dau F 2 Galston, Ayrshire
CAREY, Agnes dau F 0 (3 MO) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
DREGHORN, Sarah Grand Mother Widow F 76 Formerly Ladies Nurse Ayr, Ayrshire

1861
Civil Parish: Largs
County: Ayrshire
Address: Nelson St
Isabella Carrie [Carey] 29 Ship stewards wife Galston
Isabella dau 12 Galston
Agness dau 10 Glasgow
Ellen dau 8 Rutherglen
William son 6 Rutherglen
James son 4 Glasgow
Mary [Janet] dau 2 Largs
Isabella [Mary] dau 7mths Largs
Janet Hood (Borland) mother 67 Glaston
Janet Hood sister 37 Glaston


An error in the death reg - father should be William not John

Death 1909/C01441 Wylie Isabella - John Wallace - Isabella -

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) - Tuesday 8 June 1909 p.4
DEATHS
WYLIE.-On the 27th May, 1909, at Chillagoe, Mrs. James Malcolm, aged 62 years.

No burial on Cairns Regional Council site.

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There is this birth/baptism on ScotlandsPeople but it's not Galston and mother's name is not BORLAND.

Isabella WALLACE 19 Dec 1848 Ayr
William & not Borland

Name: Isabella Wallace
Gender: Female
Christening Place: , ARDROSSAN, AYR, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1848
Birthplace: , Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father's Name: William Wallace
Mother's Name: Ann Nicol
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11576-4


So birth/baptism not registered or record lost and therefore not in index.

If census is correct that all we can say is born abt 1849 Galston, Ayr to parents William WALLACE and Isobel BORLAND.
 
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