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James NEWELL

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In 1872 John Newell arrived at Brisbane in the 'Gauntlet' to join an elder brother in mining at Stanthorpe.
Death 23 Mar 1917/C0478 Newell James - James Newell - Margaret McDowell

Cairns Post (Qld.) - Tue 12 Jun 1917 p.4
IN MEMORIAM.
NEWELL.-In ever loving memory of my dearly beloved husband, James Newell, who died at his residence, "Listooder," Mabel St., Atherton, March 22nd, 1917.

I can't see a marriage in Qld. for James.

I presume James is the elder brother who arrived before 1872.

John NEWELL . Kilmore b. 30 Nov 1852 in The Hollows, Listooder; brother of James, Thomas, Eliza, Sarah & Mary Anne; attended Kilmore Presbyterian Church; emigrated in 1872 to Queensland, Australia & became wealthy.
Others say John was born 30 Nov 1848.


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There is this..

Qld. E/R 1893/4
Newell John, freehold
Newell James, leasehold
Atherton
District of Cairns

And
Qld E/R 1893/4
James Newell, freehold
John Newell, freehold
Herberton
District of Woothakata

There are other John Newells' not in the above areas.

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Something to ponder...

ACI:
James Newell
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1843
Death Date: 23 Mar 1917
Burial Date: 23 Mar 1917
Cemetery: Herberton Cemetery
Section: 13 01 P

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Something to ponder...

ACI:
James Newell
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1843
Death Date: 23 Mar 1917
Burial Date: 23 Mar 1917
Cemetery: Herberton Cemetery
Section: 13 01 P
Oh!
No Emily buried there. There is a Janet which may point to this..

Qld E/R 1908
James Newell
Subdistrict: Herberton
District: Herbert
[Occ = miner. With a Janet, dd. Janet Isabel, dd. John, merchant. Elderslie, Herberton]

Will leave there for now, Dave..

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For James Newell died 1917 – Northern Herald (Cairns) Fri 30 March 1917 - was 74 years old, born in Ireland and arrived some 47 years ago – had brother John Newell



https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/151008789?searchTerm=james newell &searchLimits=



The Northern Herald – Fri 18 May 1917 – has Jame’s wife was Emily Palmer – viz the Palmers of of Stoney Ridges & Coolamon with John Moffatt her brother-in-law..



https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/151002375?searchTerm=james newell &searchLimits=


James Newell married Qld 1 Feb 1912 to Emily Turner Palmer - 1912/C/1363

Death - Newell Emily Turner 28233/1957 – Burwood NSW

Emily Turner Palmer b 1872 Albury NSW – John Palmer & Martha



her sister Sarah married Francis William Furner 1894 Albury & died Dec 1939 Wagga

her sister Mary married William Cary 1882 Albury – died Nov 1930

her sister Julie Elizabeth married Charles W Wakefield 1909 NSW – died Oct 198 NSW



Mother Martha Turner b Sept 1833 Lancs married Sept 1850 St Andrew Church Walkerville SA to John William Palmer (1831 – 1877) – she died 10 April 1912 St Leonard NSW buried Bungowannah with husband John & daughter Sarah Furner – on Findagrave.com/memorial/178830270
 
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Thanks Geoff.

Perhaps James married twice.

Thanks Val.

Well, what a surprise. My tree is so interconnected it would be impossible to draw it on one side of the paper. Would have to draw on the back and come through time warp holes. :D

PALMER Sarah 9 Jun 1853 Upper Sturt dist Ade par John PALMER & Martha TURNER Book 4 p.167

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144248450
Daily Advertiser (Wagga Wagga, NSW) - Wed 20 Dec 1939 p.4
FUNERAL
MRS. S. FURNER
The death occurred in a Wagga private hospital at a late hour on Monday night of a highly respected resident of Wagga, Mrs. S. Furner, of 132 Gurwood-street, at the age of 86 years. Mrs. Furner is survived by three sons, Messrs. G., H., and O. Furner, of Coolamon; three daughters, Mrs. Kilbourne, of Punchbowl, Mrs. Menzies, of Ariah Park, and Miss V. Furner, of Wagga; two brothers, Messrs. J. H. Palmer, of Albury, and W Palmer, of Corowa; and two sisters, Mrs. Newell, of Drummoyne, and Mrs. Hubbard, of Potts Point. ...


FURNER SARAH F ########### 18/12/1939 86:6 COOLAMON TRADITIONAL SECTION METHODIST I 02


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Marriage 1532/1870 MOFFAT JOHN - PALMER ANN - ALBURY

Death 25 Sep 1906/B07216 Moffat Ann - John Palmer - Martha Turner


SA MARRIAGE
Groom: PALMER
Given names: John
Bride: TURNER
Given names: Martha
Date: 1850-09-30
Groom Age: 19
Status: N
Groom's Father: [unrecorded]
Bride Age: 17
Status: N
Bride's Father: [unrecorded]
Place: St Andrew Church, Walkerville
District: Ade
Symbol: A
Book/Page: 12/365
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Symbol A = something in that record does not match what is on the actual certificate. Could be anything - an error in printing the book the marriages are in or an error transcribing the original for typesetting and found after printing, ...
 
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PALMER Martha Death notice11APR1912 Death 78 late of North Sydney and Albury Sydney Morning Herald12APR1912

Death 7698/1912 PALMER MARTHA - THOMAS - SARAH - ST LEONARDS

Death 3371/1877 PALMER JOHN UNKNOWN UNKNOWN ALBURY
 

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The Sydney Morning Herald - Fri 12 Apr 1912 p.8
DEATHS
PALMER.-April 11, 1912, at 52 Ernest-street, North Sydney, Martha, widow of the late John Palmer, Bungowannah, Albury, in her 79th year.

Born abt 1834.


No all born in SA.

1851 PALMER Ann John PALMER Martha TURNER Adelaide 3/266

Birth 5492/1872 PALMER EMILY TURNER - JOHN - MARTHA - ALBURY
 
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37336651
The Longreach Leader (Qld. : 1923 - 1954) Fri 18 Dec 1925 Page 26 After Many Years.
BY MR. JOHN MOFFAT, "CAMOOLA PARK".
(Written for the "Longreach Leader.")
'Twas in the '40's, when, 14 months old,
I landed with my parents in Adelaide, from
Ayrshire, Scotland, our voyage out in a
sailing ship occupying about six months.
 

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The SA Pioneers has this, the marriage in post #8 and Ann's birth in 1851 #10 looks to fit..

PALMER John, Martha TURNER married 1850-09-30 at St Andrew, Walkerville, aged 19, 17
PALMER John, Martha TURNER, parents of child born 1851-09-09 named Ann at Nairne
PALMER John, Martha TURNER, parents of child born 1853-06-09 named Sarah at Upper Sturt
PALMER John, Martha TURNER, parents of child born 1855-09-18 named Isett at Nairne
PALMER John, Martha TURNER, parents of child born 1858-11-22 named Mary at / nr Mt Pleasant
PALMER John, Martha TURNER, parents of child born 1860-10-27 named Martha at Mt Pleasant
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Isett b 1855 married 1884 Albury NSW to Joseph Pollard – died 19 Feb 1886 Wodonga Vic age 30, parents correct.

Tree has John William Palmer b 1831 Hertfordshire – married 1850 in SA and has Martha nee Turner b 9 Sept 1833 Lancs - both on Findagrave - Bungowannah Cemetery NSW
 
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Thanks Geoff.

Thanks Val.

Working my way thorough details for John Moffat & Ann and James Newell & Emily.

Have not found a tree yet that helps with births for John Palmer and Martha Turner.

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Thanks Val.

Martha Turner
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Feb 1838
Christening Place ST MICHAEL,ASHTON UNDER LYNE,LANCASHIRE
Birth Date 09 Sep 1833
Father's Name Thomas Turner
Mother's Name Sarah
 

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Have not found a tree yet that helps with births for John Palmer and Martha Turner.
Yep, the two/three trees I have found have varying ideas of PoB for both, in one for example john died 1876, yet had him and Martha in an 1881 Worcestershire census.

I highlighted the marriage and offspring in post #13 because there was no arrival listed, they may have been elsewhere, strange given their young ages...

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Thanks Geoff.

A bit curious given their ages that neither father was recorded on the marriage.

Lots of deaths in SA for a Thomas Turner.

Death for a Sarah with a husband Thomas still living.

1881 114/298 TURNER Sarah Thomas TURNER (H) Adelaide

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If I have the right one Sarah Turner arrived in SA in 1848.

The South Australian Advertiser (Adelaide, SA) - Mon 11 Jul 1881 p.4
DIED
TURNER.—On the 5th July, at Coromandel Valley, Sarah, the beloved wife of Thomas Turner, in her 85th year. Arrived in the colony in 1848. Rest in peace.


TURNER Thomas, Sarah (wife), Martha, Isaac, 2 ch (Joseph, Jane?) arrived in SA 1848-12-05 aboard Baboo from London 48-08-24 via Plymouth

Martha would have been abt 15. Those over 14 are not counted as 'children' although that actually are children of Thomas & Sarah.

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