James WARDLAW

[DaveHam9]

Piece: SCT1841/487 Place: Polmont -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Polmont Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Polmont
Folio: 301 Page: 1
Address: Shieldhill
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WARDLAW James M 30 Coal Miner Outside Census County (1841)
WARDLAW Agnes F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
WARDLAW James M 5 Outside Census County (1841)
WARDLAW Robert M 3 Stirlingshire
WARDLAW Jean F 1 Stirlingshire


I'd like a look up please for the family and for James in 1851. The one I'm after was born Bathgate and his mother was Agnes, therefore I hope this one:

James WARDLAW & Janet MUIR
27 April 1860 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

1861
Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: Greenburn, Gowanbrae
James Wardlaw 25 Iron stone miner Bathgate
Janet Wardlaw 20 Cambusnethan
James Wardlaw 1 Cambusnethan

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

1851
Parish Number: 487
Civil Parish: Polmont
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Farmer
ED: 6; Page: 40; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1851_102

James Wardlaw 40 [b. Bathgate]
Agnes Wardlaw 40 [b. W Calder, Midlothian]
James Wardlaw 16 [b. Kirknewtom, Mid.]
Robert Wardlaw 16 b. Midlothian]
Jean Wardlaw 11 [b. Polmont]
John Wardlaw 8 [do]
Elera Wardlaw 5 [do]
Hugh Wardlaw 3 [Glasgow]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

It looks as though James was born Bathgate, W Lothian but baptised elsewhere:

James Wardlaw
birth: 11 December 1835
christening: 27 December 1835 , KIRKNEWTON AND EAST CALDER, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
James Wardlaw & Agnes Marshall

 

[horse]

Yeah, a few small counties close by each other within 20 - 30 miles, I don't think they took much notice of boundaries in those days :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

So the question becomes: Is this Agnes nee MARSHALL?

1871
Registration District: Whitburn
Civil Parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
ED: 5
Roll: CSSCT1871_153
Address: Sheephousehill
Agnes Wardlaw Head 63 West Walden, Edin'
Robert Wardlaw G'son 7 Scholar Crofthead, Linlithgow
Hugh Sanderson Nephew 17 Carbake, Lanarkshire
Turner Lodger 22


When did Agnes die?

I don't know how Hugh fits in. That might help confirm we have the right Agnes.

 

[DaveHam9]

Is this Agnes?

Name: Agnes M Wardlaw
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Gender: Female
Age: 72
Birthplace: Midlothian
Registration District: Cambusnethan
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1809


Robert with parents not grandmother:

1881
Registration District: Cambusnethan
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan
County: Lanarkshire
ED: 11
Roll: CSSCT1881_207
Address: 63 Camnethan St Bk Str
James Wardlaw 45 coal miner Kirkliston, Edine [Kirknewton?]
Janet Wardlaw 40
Andrew Wardlaw 19 Joiner Whitburn, Linlithgow
Robert Wardlaw 17 Engine keeper Whitburn, Linlithgow
Agnes Wardlaw 9
Janet Wardlaw 7
Margaret Wardlaw 5

 

[horse]

James Wardlaw
Spouse: Agnes Marshall
Event Date: 30 May 1834
Event Place: Denny,Stirling,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11476-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1041975, 0102105

 

[horse]

Could be Hugh 1861, not giving much away

RD: New Monkland Landward
Civil Parish: New Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3147- House Near Railway Bridge
ED: 13; Page: 3; Line: 12; Roll: CSSCT1861_117

Peter Sanderson 49 [Liberton, Mid. Railway Inspector
Margaret Sanderson 43 [Newbattle, Mid.]
Pringle Sanderson 13
Peter Sanderson 14
Robert Sanderson 11
Hugh Sanderson 7 [b. Carlicke]
John Sanderson 5
Mary Sanderson 3

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: Peter Sanderson
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Margaret Marshall
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 11 Apr 1842
Event Place: Saint Cuthberts,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Marshall
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11990-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1066766
Reference ID:

 

[horse]

Ah! Sisters...

 

[DaveHam9]

However:

Agnes Marshall
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 20 December 1808
christening: 31 December 1808 SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1808 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
father: Andrew Marshall
mother: Ann Andrew

 

[DaveHam9]

Ah! Sisters...

Either half-sisters or we are wrong or ...

 

[horse]

Oh! Not Peter and Ann, then..

 

[DaveHam9]

We have Robert and Andrew so not the same father for Margaret and Agnes.

 

[horse]

There are 3 possible births for Agnes, I can't see one with Margaret and same parents

 

[horse]

Margaret Marshall
Christening Date: 16 Feb 1817
Christening Place: , NEWBATTLE, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Father: John Marshall
Mother: Alison Penman
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11695-5
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1067786

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 1886 WARDLAW Agnes (MARSHALL) Fauldhouse, W Lothian Age 78

Kirknewton, East & West Calder are listed in SP as being in W Lothian.



That can't be the right baptism for Agnes that I listed.

West Walden = West Calder for Agnes in 1871.

 

[horse]

There's a 10y gap between them, could be half sisters...

Interestingly Peter Sanderson b. Liberton and there is this..

Agnes Marshall
Christening Date: 05 Nov 1809
Christening Place: , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Father: Archibald Marshall
Mother: Helen Henderson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11693-6
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1067783, 0103146

No, makes no sense...

 

[horse]

Death 1886 WARDLAW Agnes (MARSHALL) Fauldhouse, W Lothian Age 78

Kirknewton, East & West Calder are listed in SP as being in W Lothian.

Yeah, this is what I meant in an earlier post, they are small and within 20 - 30 miles of each other..

 

[horse]

Agnis Marshal
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 09 May 1807
Christening Place: WEST CALDER, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Father: Robert Marshal
Mother: Jean Graham
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11701-2
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1067792, 1067793