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James WATMAN & Elizabeth

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Bap V18411214 26A/1841 WATMAN GEORGE - JAMES - ELIZABETH

Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Peter Campbelltown in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1842
No. 126 When Baptised: March 6th 1842 When Born: October 30th 1841 George - James & Elizabeth Watman Abode: Narrellan Quality or Profession: Labourer By whom the Ceremony was performed: Robert Forrest

Looking for the marriage of James & Elizabeth and their arrival??

WHATMAN in some records.

WATMAN MARIA 1170/1840 V18401170 24A JAMES ELIZABETH

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Possible..

Assisted:
James Watman [farm labourer]
Age: 24
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1838
Vessel Name: Maitland
Origin Location: Rovenden, Kent, England
Image has, Elizabeth [22] farm servant, James [3] and Edward [1]..

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A public tree points to this..

James Whatman
Marriage Date: 24 May 1835
Place: Woodchurch, Kent, England
Spouse = Elizabeth Batham
FHL Film Number: 1473776
Reference ID: Page 67 No. 201

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Possible..

James Watman
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1836
Baptism Place: Rolvenden, Kent, England
Parents = James Watman & Elizabeth Watman

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EDIT: Rolvenden about 10 km W of Woodchurch..
 
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Thanks Ellie for looking.

Thanks Geoff.

That is probably correct.

Death 20783/1926 WATMAN GEORGE - JAMES (-BATTEN) CROOKWELL * 18 Dec 1926

Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW) - Fri 31 Dec 1926 p.7
MR. GEORGE WATMAN, Crookwell.
Mr. George Watman died at his residence at Crookwell on Saturday, December 18, at the age of 85 years. He had lived at Crookwell for over 60 years. Although carpenter by trade he had for 17 years driven the mail coach between Crookwell and Goulburn. He was a widower and had been twice married. He is survived by one daughter, Miss Ella Watman.

George's sister

Death 12445/1905 POLL JANE - JAMES - ELIZABETH - CROOKWELL * 16 Nov 1905

Can't find a notice in Trove so far.

George married CofE and Jane Wesleyan.

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Departed Gravesend: 24 June 1838 Arrived Sydney: 6 November 1838. (134 days)
(as recorded by Surgeon John Smith on arrival at Sydney. Ref: NSW Reel AO1292)

No. SURNAME GIVEN NAME/S AGE STATUS TRADE NATIVE PLACE REMARKS RELIGION ENGAGED BY LOCATION WAGES PER: RATIONS? No.
262 Watman James 24 Married Farm Labourer Rolvenden, Kent Protestant Mr Tooth Sydney £50:00:00 Year Without 262
263 Watman Elizabeth 22 Married House Servant Rolvenden, Kent 263
264 Watman James 2 Single Rolvenden, Kent 264
265 Watman Edward 8 mth Single Rolvenden, Kent 265
 

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Death 4618/1867 WATMAN JAMES MICHAEL MARY CAMDEN * 19 Jun 1867

Death 3612/1870 WATMAN ELIZABETH A GEORGE SARAH A GOULBURN * 30 Apr 1870


No Michael here

James Moore WATMAN c. 23 Mar 1814 Rolvenden, Kent, England
Mother Mary WATMAN
 

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Something funny here

Birth 15401/1862 WOODHOUSE ELEANOR E - ROBERT W - MARGARET - YASS * Not CofE

Death 15143/1885 WOODWARD MARGARET - GEORGE E DIED GUNNING GUNNING * 3 Jun 1885

Marriage 3784/1888 WATMAN GEORGE - WOODWARD ELEANOR E - CROOKWELL * 9 May 1888

Death 20773/1926 WATMAN ELEANOR E - ROBERT - CROOKWELL * 9 Oct 1926

Death 8454/1907 WOODWARD ROBERT - ROBERT W - MARGARET - BURWOOD * 27 Sep 1907
 

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Eleanor fits between these two

WOODWARD ELIZABETH A 14210/1860 ROBERT W MARGARET YASS

WOODWARD WALTER M 16763/1866 ROBERT W MARGARET YASS

This seems to b e the earliest

WOODWARD ALBERT H 2435/1850 V18502435 55 ROBERT W MARGRET

But Robert is the eldest son so where was he born abt 1847?


3x Robert and 2x Robert & Margaret ???
 
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Marriages Jun 1842 Marylebone 1 234
WOODWARD Robert & ELLIOTT Margaret

Marriage has fathers as William and Thomas yet the two death reg have fathers as Robert and George.

Finding very little in Trove for the various deaths.

7535/1885 PETERSON GEORGE HENRY - WOODWARD ELIZABETH ANNIE - GUNNING
 

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Father James b Kent..
Father ? - WATMAN JAMES 4618/1867 MICHAEL – MARY – CAMDEN

Mother Elizabeth b Kent ..
Mother - WATMAN ELIZABETH 9834/1903 JEREMIAH – ELIZABETH – DUBBO
Dubbo Dispatch – Sat 4 July 1903 – has her as 85 yrs = b 1818 (the shipping record has her = b 1816..close) and she was from Kent.. - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...h watman&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales

Sons James b Kent 1836..
NSW Gov Gazette Tue 23 Jan 1900 – Probate
ln the will of James Watman, late of Crookwell, in the Colony of New South Wales, coach proprietor, deceased. APPLICATION will be made, after fourteen days from the publication hereof, that probate of the last will of the above named deceased may be granted to James John Watman and Eliza Watman,(wife) the executor and executrix named in the said will.

James’s marriage - 342/1855 V1855342 43B WATMAN JAMES – CAUNT ELIZA – CR – she dies 1908 Crookwell.

Son - WATMAN JAMES 1331/1900 JAMES – ELIZABETH – CROOKWELL – age 64 (fits for son on 1838 ship record) –

Crookwell Gazette Fri 5 Jan 1900 - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=190|||l-year=1900

this bit is follow on for death notice of George Watman Dec 1926 -
Crookwell Gazette Wed 12 Oct 1927
IN MEMORIAM.
WATMAN. — In loving memory of my dear mother, Eleanor Esther (Nellie), died Oct. 9th, 1926.The end was so sudden, the shock severe, To part with a mother we loved so dear. Only those who have lost are able to tell The sorrow that is felt at not saying farewell.— Inserted by her sorrowing daughter Ella.

Marriage - 3784/1888 WATMAN GEORGE – WOODWARD ELEANOR E – CROOKWELL

Birth - WATMAN IVY E 21855/1895 GEORGE - ELEANOR E – CROOKWELL (Ella ?) her death –
WATMAN IVY ELLA 21095/1956 GEORGE 61 YRS - MARRICKVILLE UNKNOWN -NEWTOWN

Wonder if this is a relative – James Henry Poll – he married Selina Alice Butt in 1893 – Crookwell Gazette Wed 26 June 1946 - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...a watman&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales
 

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Thanks Val.

I therefore have the wrong death for Elizabeth in my tree.

James Henry son of James

1732/1866 POLL JAMES - WATMAN JANE - CAMDEN * Wesleyan

I've given up with the Woodwards for now. 2x Robert & Margaret - one family CofE and the other Wesleyan.

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Children of James & Elizabeth b NSW after 1838

1840 Maria Watman – married Suren P Eenemark 1858 Camden (Soren Peterson Enemark) did a name change to Peterson in 1862 probably as he jumped ship “Saga” (Deserter - NSW Police Gazette 13 Feb 1856) –
her death - PETERSON MARIA 8564/1934 (-WATMAN) 93 YRS BURWOOD MARIA BURWOOD
1841 George Watman married Eleanor E Woodward 1888 – died 1926
1844 Jane Watman – married James Poll 1866 Camden – died 1905 Crookwell
1845 Annie Elizabeth Watman – died 1846
1847 Caleb Watman – died 1847
1849 Sarah Watman – married James Rogers 1873 – died 1931 Bathurst
1851 Emma Watman – married Henry Graham 18 May 1872 Camden - died 1926 Sydney
1853 Mary A Watman – died 1856
 

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Thanks Val.

Re Woodward, I'm going to wait until I check the baptism records on film.

Soren is in my tree somewhere else.

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Oh. My tree is so complicated.

7535/1885 PETERSON GEORGE HENRY - WOODWARD ELIZABETH ANNIE - GUNNING * 6 Apr 1885

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 6 Apr 1925 p.10
RUBY WEDDINGS.
PETERSON - WOODWARD.-April 6, 1885, at Methodist Church, Gunning, by Rev. Joseph Parker, George Henry Peterson, of Queanbeyan, to Elizabeth Anne Woodward, of Gunning. Present address: Ettalong-road, Pendle Hill.

George Henry is a son of Soren & Maria. I can't escape the Woodwards. :rolleyes:

I'll have to re-arrange a bit of my tree.
 
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Birth 14210/1860 WOODWARD ELIZABETH A - ROBERT W - MARGARET - YASS * 12 Aug 1860

Elizabeth Ann married Wesleyan.


Birth 15401/1862 WOODHOUSE ? [WOODWARD] ELEANOR E - ROBERT W - MARGARET - YASS

Are they sisters?
 

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A bit more to unravel your tree a bit...

b 1841 George Watman married Eleanor E Woodward 9 May 1888 Crookwell – he died 1926 -

Just found he was married previously to a Sarah Ann Poll 1862 Berrima NSW, she died 20 April 1886 Crookwell – Tree has her b 1848 Great Fransham Norfolk

WATMAN SARAH A 6762/1886 JAMES – ELIZABETH – CROOKWELL
(parents Poll)
found this on a tree for Sarah Watman nee Poll

WATMAN Mrs Sarah. It is our painful duty to record the death of Mrs Sarah Watman, wife of George Watman an old resident of Crookwell. The deceased lady had been ailing more or less for the past 2 years and on Tiuesday afternoon about 2 pm she expired, death being attributed to internal abdominal cancer. Just previously to her death Dr Fitzpatrick was sent for who visited & prescribed for her but she was too far gone for human aid to avail. The Deceased was a member of the local Lodge of the Good Templars & took an active part in everything of a philanthropic nature in the town. We sincerely sympathise with Mr George Watman in his bereavement. The funeral took place yesterday & was largely attended. The Rev S Gilby conducted the service at the grave D204/1886 aged 39 years, wife of George, parents James Poll & Elizabeth Bensley – Crookwell Gazette Fri 23/4/1886
 

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Thanks Val.

Yes, the POLL connection is not a problem. It's well sorted.

This looks to be another sister.

3685/1868 HINCHMAN THOMAS - WOODWARD MARGARET - YASS

Have not searched Trove for that marriage yet. Nothing found.

Where is Margaret's birth? England before arrival or NSW but not in index?

Death HINKSMAN MARGARET 23906/1929 ROBERT 84 YRS GOULBURN GOULBURN

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No result for a Robert Woodward on Assisted to NSW or on Bounty list.

Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW) - Sat 28 Sep 1907 p.4
DEATHS
Mr. Robert William Woodward died on Friday at his daughter's residence, "Romola" Cobden-street, Enfield, at the age of 86 years. Mr. Woodward was well known at Crookwell, where he was formerly in business as a blacksmith. He was the father of Mrs. Hincksman, of Faithfull-street, Goulburn.
 
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