Jane ANDERSON

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

A revisit. Jane ANDERSON b. abt 1818 Scotland

In 1841 James is living with his family at West Side of Woodhead Street, Dunfermline although he was born in the village of Torryburn, Fife.


09/03/1844 SANDS JAMES JANE ANDERSON/FR4858 M Dunfermline /FIFE 424/ 0170 0062

"James Sands Weaver Dunfermline and Jane Anderson willingly there gave in their names for proclamation in order to Marriage being regularly proclaimed and no objections made their Certificate to that effect was granted."

I notice it does not say where Jane is from.

Assisted immigrants arriving in Sydney & Newcastle, 1844-59
Surname Firstname Events Age Remarks Vessel Year Reel
SANDS James 33 and wife Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS Jane 32 and husband Diana 1849 2135, 2459


Jane SANDS
Date of Death: 20 Sep 1890 Braidwood, NSW
Occupation: -
Age: 70
Place of Birth: Scotland - 40 years in Colonies
Father: Robert ANDERSON - Innkeeper
Mother: Maggie (Surname not stated)
Place of Marriage: Scotland
Age at Marriage: 25
Name of Spouse: James SANDS
Children: No Issue
Informant: James SANDS, Husband, Braidwood
Cause of Death: Senile Decay - 6 weeks
Medical Attendant: Dr FLORANCE 20 Sep 1890
Date of Burial: 22 Sep 1890 Braidwood
Minister: Rev J S DOBSON (Religion not stated)
Undertaker: R McDONALD
Witnesses: C O'LOUGHLIN, Alexr. McRAE
Registered: 22 Sep 1890 Braidwood
Ref No: 3378/1890


I can only find these two in Fife, neither with mother = Maggie/Margaret

No Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. *** Parish City/County GROS Data Image Extract
1 01/03/1815 ANDERSON JANET ROBERT ANDERSON/JANET HOG FR2888 F Dunfermline /FIFE 424/ 0090 0378
2 08/11/1818 ANDERSON JANET ROBERT ANDERSON/JANET YOUNG F Aberdour (Fife) /FIFE 401/ 0020 0268


Piece: SCT1841/458 Place: Torryburn -Fife Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Torryburn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 2 Page: 13
Address: Torry or New Mills
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
YATES William M 39 Engine Worker Outside Census County (1841)
YATES James M 16 Engine Worker Outside Census County (1841)
YATES John M 11 Fife
Page: 2/14
YATES Jane F 40 Outside Census County (1841)
ANDERSON Jane F 20 Coal Drawer Outside Census County (1841)
YATES Janet F 13 Fife
YATES Katherine F 9 Fife

I'm even wondering if that is a transcription error with Anderson in the middle of the Yates.


Piece: SCT1841/424 Place: Dunfermline -Fife Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunfermline
Folio: 0 Page: 9
Address: Reform Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANDERSON George M 30 Shop Keeper Outside Census County (1841)
ANDERSON Jane F 25 Fife


Piece: SCT1841/424 Place: Dunfermline -Fife Enumeration District: 27
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunfermline
Folio: 0 Page: 21
Address: Baldridge Burn
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GREIVE Cathrine F 50 Widow Fife
GREIVE Thomas M 20 Weaver Fife
GREIVE Robert M 11 Fife
GREIVE Stanis M 9 Fife Forename query
GREIVE Ann F 15 Spinster Fife
GREIVE Margaret F 14 Spinster Fife
ANDERSON Janet F 20 Spinster Lodger Fife

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Piece: SCT1841/821 Place: Dumfries -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Dumfries-Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: New Church
Folio: 7 Page: 13
Address: Queensberry St.-3 Crowns Close
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANDERSON Robert M 38 Innkeeper Dumfries-shire
ANDERSON Margaret F 30 Housekeeper Dumfries-shire
ANDERSON Janet F 8 Dumfries-shire
ANDERSON Mary F 6 Dumfries-shire
ANDERSON John M 4 Dumfries-shire
ANDERSON William M 2 Dumfries-shire
ANDERSON Ann F 1 Dumfries-shire


Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Paisley Middle Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 27 Page: 1
Address: 1 Moss Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANDERSON Robert M 40 Inn Keeper Renfrewshire
ANDERSON Margaret F 30 Renfrewshire
ANDERSON Daniel M 15 Renfrewshire
ANDERSON Robert M 14 Renfrewshire
ANDERSON Jean F 11 Renfrewshire
ANDERSON Flora F 8 Renfrewshire
WALKER Jean F 50 Renfrewshire
WALKER Elizabeth F 30 Renfrewshire


Neither seem to fit so it's likely Jane's father Robert didn't make it to 1841. Even if Margaret was 34 and age rounded down to 30 neither seem to fit for Jane born abt 1819.

 

[barbarajoh]

Hi Dave,

The Torryburn family Jane Anderson look the nearest to me so I had a look at them briefly. William Yates is in the 1851 census at Carnock, Fife.


William Yates
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jean Yates
Gender: Male
Where born: Cubross, Perthsh
Parish Number: 414
Civil parish: Carnock
Town: Forth Iron Works
County: Fife
Address: 82 Store Row
Occupation: Engine Man Iror
ED: 1C
Page: 32 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 128
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_85
Household Members: Name Age
William Yates 40
Jean Yates 55
Janet Yates 22
Cathrine Yates 19
Mary Yates 17
Jean M Farlane 4 Niece

His wife was Janet Fyfe and he married her in 1826 at Torryburn. She came from Clackmannan. And the children with her in the 1841 are theirs. Doesn't explain Jane Anderson living with them but perhaps she was a relation of either William or Janet?

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thanks for looking.

James SANDS had two younger brothers who married Anderson sisters from Abercorn. The only unaccounted for sister in that Anderson family if three sisters married 3 brothers is an Elizabeth born 29 Nov 1819. But, anyway the parents are Alexander and Janet and Jane's death certificate says Robert & Maggie.

Yes, I have looked for a Jane/Jean/Janet birth to Robert & Maggie/Margaret without success on SP.

I'm going to check how close those addresses are to Woodhead street.

I can't find Reform or Woodhead streets in Dunfermline.

I'll also try to find parents for George Anderson. Too many possible.

I've looked for other ANDERSON birth with parents Robert & Margaret. Only two in Fife 1810 - 1830.

name: Catharine Anderson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 27 Jan 1822
birthplace: DUNFERMLINE,FIFE,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Robert Anderson
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Steele
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11950-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown
reference number:

name: Mary Anderson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 Jun 1811
baptism/christening place: DYSART,FIFE,SCOTLAND
birth date: 05 May 1811
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Robert Anderson
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margt. Bruce
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11951-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1040109
reference number:

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

The shipping record lists James, a mason, as being from Torreburn, Fifeshire and Jane from Dunfermline.

I wonder if Catharine ANDERSON born 27 Jan 1822 Dunfermline can be traced.


Possible marriage: EDIT: Not the right one.

groom's name: George Hutton
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Catharine Anderson
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 21 Mar 1840
marriage place: Dunfermline,Fife,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11950-7
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1040106
reference number:

I can't find either of them in 1841.

 

[DaveHam9]

Two children:

Mary Hutton
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 19 Dec 1842
christening: 08 Jan 1843 UNITED ASSOCIATION BURGH SECEDERS,​ LIMEKILNS,​ FIFE,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1842 Limekilns,​ Fifeshire,​ Scotland
parents: George Hutton,​ Catharine Anderson


Christina Hutton
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 04 Oct 1848
christening: 26 Nov 1848 UNITED ASSOCIATION BURGH SECEDERS,​ LIMEKILNS,​ FIFE,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1848 Limekilns,​ Fifeshire,​ Scotland
parents: George Hutton,​ Catharine Anderson


Piece: SCT1851/424 Place: Dunfermline -Fife Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunfermline
Folio: 0 Page: 15 Schedule: 77
Address: Limekilns Village
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANDERSON Mary - W F 60 Mariner's Widow Fife - Pettiesmuir
HUTTON Catherine Wife M F 23 Mariner's Wife Fife - Limekilns
HUTTON Mary Dau U F 8 Scholar Fife - Limekilns
HUTTON Christian Dau U F 10m Fife - Limekilns

Age for Catharine should be more like 28. ??? And mother should be Margaret. ??? Is that a different Catharine ANDERSON who married George? EDIT: Yes.

 

[DaveHam9]

Piece: SCT1841/424 Place: Dunfermline -Fife Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunfermline
Folio: 0 Page: 31
Address: Lime Kilns
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANDERSON Robert M 43 Fife
ANDERSON Mary F 48 Fife
ANDERSON Henry M 14 Fife
ANDERSON James M 8 Fife


Ok found the one who married George and it's not the one I was chasing:

Catherine Anderson
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 25 Oct 1821 United Association Burgh Seceders,​ Limekilns,​ Fife,​ Scotland
christening: UNITED ASSOCIATION BURGH SECEDERS,​ LIMEKILNS,​ FIFE,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1821 Limekilns,​ Fifeshire,​ Scotland
parents: Robert Anderson,​ Mary Philp


So back to:

I wonder if Catharine ANDERSON born 1822 Dunfermline - parents Robert & Margaret - can be traced.

Deaths for 4 x Catharine in Fife (Arngask, Cupar, St Andrews, St Leonards) between 27 Jan 1822 and 6 Jun 1841 but none in or near Dunfermline. And none with name as Catherine.

Zero deaths in Fife after 1855 for a married Catharine ANDERSON born 1822 +/- 5 years

One death in Fife after 1855 for a married Catherine ANDERSON born 1822 +/- 1 year - 1895 in Dysart. Married name is MELVILLE and the marriage was in Dysart in Apr 1844 and has to be this one and not the one I'm chasing:

name: Catharine Anderson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 29 Dec 1822
baptism/christening place: DYSART,FIFE,SCOTLAND
birth date: 22 Sep 1822
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Anderson
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jean Bennet
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11951-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

What next? Every Catharine/Catherine ANDERSON in Scotland born 1822 +/- 2 years? :2fun:

 

[barbarajoh]

1 05/01/1840 ANDERSON CATHERINE JOHN HONEYMAN/ F KINGLASSIE /FIFE 440/00 0040 0204
2 01/11/1840 ANDERSON CATHERINE JOHN BISSET/ F CRAIL /FIFE 417/00 0060 0153
3 14/08/1843 ANDERSON CATHERINE ALEXANDER DONALD/ F KIRKCALDY /FIFE 442/00 0060 0148
4 07/01/1844 ANDERSON CATHERINE THOMAS BACHOP/ F TULLIALLAN /FIFE 397/00 0030 0244
5 20/04/1844 ANDERSON CATHERINE JOHN MELVILLE/ F DYSART /FIFE 426/00 0070 0204
6 02/08/1847 ANDERSON CATHERINE HENRY KINLOCH/ F TULLIALLAN /FIFE 397/00 0030 0249
7 28/01/1848 ANDERSON CATHERINE ROBERT BELL FR5754 F ST ANDREWS AND ST LEONARDS /FIFE 453/00 0200 0210
8 25/11/1848 ANDERSON CATHERINE JOHN IMRIE/FR1060 F KENNOWAY /FIFE 434/00 0040 0258
9 12/01/1852 ANDERSON CATHERINE THOMAS DUNSIRE/ F WEMYSS /FIFE 459/00 0060 0421
10 27/05/1853 ANDERSON CATHERINE ALEXANDER MCINTYRE/ F DYSART /FIFE 426/00 0070 0289
11 14/09/1853 ANDERSON CATHERINE WILLIAM HUTCHISON/ F DYSART /FIFE 426/00 0070 0293
12 27/09/1853 ANDERSON CATHERINE ALEXANDER BAIN/ F LARGO (FIFE) /FIFE 443/00 0050 0366
13 15/07/1850 ANDERSON CATHERINE ANN WILLIAM KING/ F TULLIALLAN /FIFE 397/00 0030 0255


All the marriages in Fife for a Catherine Anderson pre 1854 and after/inc 1836

None in Dunfermline tho.

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

21/03/1840 ANDERSON CATHARINE GEORGE HUTTON/FR4779 F DUNFERMLINE /FIFE 424/00 0160 0506
11 28/06/1852 ANDERSON CATHARINE RILE KAYS/ F DUNFERMLINE /FIFE 424/00 0170 0347


And two in Dunfermline with Catharine as a spelling. You have already crossed out the first so perhaps the second?

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

I have eliminated the HUTTON and MELVILLE and the KAYS one is on the census board, but looks like no hope.

I am assuming of course that Jane had a sister Catharine.

At least the 1822 birth in Dunfermline is a possibility. Even if I find a death that fits, I'm still assuming it will say her father Robert was an innkeeper.

Probably asking for too much. I should just settle for more chocolates. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Never give up Dave, and the chocolates help the brain power!

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

I will have a look at the deaths outside Fife for those born 1822 +/- 3 years.

There are 71 x Catherine nee ANDERSON with a death after 1855.

I have also assumed the 'Dunfermline' on the shipping record is pob not just where Jane had been living in the 5 years between the marriage and the departure.


Death 1864 Catharine GULLAN (ANDERSON) St Nicholas Aberdeen Age 45

The record has the name as GULLAN but this is probably the marriage:

groom's name: William Gulland
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Catherine Anderson
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 11 May 1857
marriage place: Dysart,Fife,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11426-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

Next one:

Death 1870 Catharine BEVERIDGE (ANDERSON) Edinburgh City Age 49


groom's name: Will. T. R. Beveridge
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Catherine Anderson
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 09 Aug 1858
marriage place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11685-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

Can rule out BISSET

groom's name: John Bisset
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Catherine Anderson
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 12 Nov 1840
marriage place: Saint Cuthberts,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: John Anderson
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11989-9
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1066765
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

I think it's all too speculative.

 

[barbarajoh]

I think so too, you could get too far off the beaten track and forget where you were trying to get to!

Off to the races today, will have a look at all your impossibles tomorrow!

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

I have moved on.

Ok, thanks.