Jane FAIRFULL

[DaveHam9]

Births Mar 1870
Sadler Rosa Marylebone 1a 570

1871
RG10 Piece 249 Folio 99 Page 50
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Pancras
Sub-RD: Kentish Town
Address: 155 Leighton Rd
Jane Fairfull Lodger Wid 50 Lady's Nurse Thetford, Norfolk ? or Stratford, Essex ?
Rose F Sadler Granddaughter (4mo) Hackney, Middlesex

Rose Sadler c. 4 Apr 1880 John Robert Sadler, Jane Eliza Sadler Bethnal Green St Thomas Tower Hamlets

1881
RG11 Piece 432 Folio 69 Page 46
London, Middlesex
Address: 36 Huntingdon Bldgs
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Occupation Birthplace Disability
John R. SADLER Head M Male 42 Wood Turner St Lukes Middlesex
Jane SADLER Wife Female 29 St Geo In The East Middlesex
Alice SADLER Daur U Female 19 Marylebone Middlesex
Emma SADLER Daur U Female 17 Marylebone Middlesex
Rosa SADLER Daur U Female 10 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex
Ada SADLER Daur U Female 8 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex
Beatrice SADLER Daur Female 1 B Green Middlesex

I'm trying to find how Jane FAIRFULL is Rosa's grandmother as well as sorting out her pob.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hi Dave,

See what you think.

1871
Name: Jane Fairfull
Age: 50
Birthplace: Thetford, Essex
Registration District: Pancras
Sub-District: Kentish Town
Parish: St Pancras
County: London, Middlesex

Lodger Jane Fairfull F 50 Thetford, Essex
Granddaughter Rose F Sadler F 0 Hackney, Essex

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VB66-HTF

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Is it Thetford in Essex or Norfolk or Suffolk or Cambridgeshire ?

or

Is it Stratford in Essex or Warwickshire or Wiltshire ?

 

[DaveHam9]

One or neither of these ???

1881
RG11 Piece 249 Folio 7 Page 9
Islington
County: Middlesex
Address: 23 Newington Gr Rd
Jane Fairfield Head 59 Widow Ladies Nurse Bow, Middlesex

1881
RG11 Piece 692 Folio 25 Page 44
Name: Jane Fairfield
Age (Original): 61
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1820
Birthplace: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Midwife
Address: 18 Tustin St
Event Place: Camberwell, Surrey, England
Head Robert Noble M 38 Paddgton, Middlesex, England
Wife Frances G Noble F 36 St George In East, Middlesex, England
Son George R Noble M 14 Camberwell, Surrey, England
Son James Noble M 10 Hastings, Sussex, England
Daughter Eliza Noble F 8 Battle, Sussex, England
Daughter Ellen Noble F 6 Cambrwl, Surrey, England
Son Frederick W Noble M 4 Cambrwl, Surrey, England
Son Charles A Noble M 2 Cambrwl, Surrey, England
Daughter Annie R Noble F 0 Cambrwl, Surrey, England
Lodger Jane Fairfield F 61 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England



??
Deaths Sep Qtr 1890
Fairfull Jane 77 Hampstead 1a 431

 

[DaveHam9]

Age is right for this one.

1851
Name: Jane Fairfull
Age: 30
Birthplace: Middlesex
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household

1861
Jane Fairfull born abt 1820 Middlesex - living in Middlesex


So when did Jane marry and what was her maiden name? I can't find a tree.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Dec Qtr 1860
Sadler John Robert Marylebone 1a 796
Edwards Jane Eliza Marylebone 1a 796

... Jane's father Abraham Edwards - coachman. One of the witnesses is Sarah Jay Edwards.


The baptism for Beatrice - 4 Apr 1880/Born 28 Nov 1870? as per image - St Thomas Bethnel Green - Father John Robert/Mother Jane Eliza - Address 96 Ravenscroft Street.

Births Mar 1880 ??
SADLER Beatrice Henrietta Bethnal Green 1c 203

Deaths Dec 1870
Sadler Jane Eliza 34 Shoreditch 1c 146

John is a widower in 1871 so the only way Beatrice's mother could be Jane Eliza EDWARDS is for Beatrice to have been born 28 Nov 1870.

1871
RG10 Piece 470 Folio 7 Page 12
Civil Parish: St Leonards
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-RD: Haggerstone, East
John R Sadler Head 32 Turner employing 3 boys Middlesex
Alice A dau 7 Marylebone
John R son 5 Marylebone
Anney Gardner servant 16

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a baptism for Jane Eliza and I can't work out if the witness Sarah is a sister or mother.

Another one of my easy ones. :2fun:

Several possible marriages for an Abraham EDWARDS. If we say London, Middlesex or Surrey it's down to 3 possible - Ann, Catherine or Sarah.

I don't even know if FAIRFULL is on SADLER or EDWARDS side of the family.


John Robert senior married 3 times.

2nd one:
Marriages Sep Qtr 1871
Sadler John Robert W. Ham 4a 17
Cockman Eliza Sarah W. Ham 4a 17

Deaths Sep Qtr 1878
Sadler Eliza Sarah 43 Hackney 1b 332

 

[horse]

I remember looking at this the other day and tried to work how she could be Rose's g'mother, this is the full list of occupants in 1871:

John Enodon 46 [b. St Pancras]
Emily A Enodon 40
Edward J Enodon 16
William Enodon 14
Henry Enodon 12
Arthur Enodon 10
Emily Enodon 8
Alfred Enodon 4
James Enodon 2
Mary Tuckwood 83
Emma Tuckwood 39 Lodger [dau]
Jane Fairfull 50 Loger [Wid. b. Shutford, Essex. Ladies Nurse] The image says Essex. Can't read the place, looks like Thetford]
Rose F Sadler 4 Months g'dau. [b. Hackney]

Because Emma is Mary's dau., possible that Rose is Jane's g'dau., if it follows in the same vein.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Age fits for this one..

1851
Civil Parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate
County: Middlesex
RD: East London
Sub-RD: St Botolph
ED: 2e; Piece: 1524; Folio: 530; Page: 53

Jane Fairfull 30 Wid [b. Mile End.]
John Fairfull 12 Son [do]
William Fairfull 9 Son [do]
Edward Fairfull 2 Son [Bishopsgate]
Elizabeth Green 30 Visitor

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Perhaps we should follow the SADLER line back first because it might be easier than the EDWARDS one.

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Perhaps we should follow the SADLER line back first because it might be easier than the EDWARDS one.

Yeah, nothing leaping out...

 

[DaveHam9]

I looked for a FAIRFULL death 1847-1851 and didn't see one.

Might be as FAIRFIELD.

 

[horse]

I looked for a FAIRFULL death 1847-1851 and didn't see one.

Might be as FAIRFIELD.

Yeah, too many variants, trying to chase the offspring with little luck

 

[DaveHam9]

John Robert Sadler
birth: 1 Jul
baptised 12 Aug 1838 - Finsbury St Luke
Father John Robert Sadler - occ baker
Mother Jane
7 Collingwood Street


John Robert Sadler
birth: 20 Feb 1812
christening: 8 Jan 1815 St James Westminster,​ London
John Sadler &​ Sarah

Maiden name of Jane and of Sarah if possible.

 

[horse]

John Robert Sadler
birth: 1 Jul
baptised 12 Aug 1838 - Finsbury St Luke
Father John Robert Sadler - occ baker
Mother Jane
7 Collingwood Street


John Robert Sadler
birth: 20 Feb 1812
christening: 8 Jan 1815 St James Westminster,​ London
John Sadler &​ Sarah

Maiden name of Jane and of Sarah if possible.

There are a few, but assuming Finsbury St Luke this is a possible..

John Sadley
[John Sadler]
Spouse: Sarah Mole
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Sep 1802
Parish: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Register

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I can't find any trees for any of these families.

 

[horse]

We need something else really, too many John and Sarah possibles

 

[DaveHam9]

Looking for siblings and nothing stands out. There are these:

Susannah Sadler
christening: 15 Oct 1833 Holborn, Middlesex
father: John Sadler
mother: Jane

Susannah Sadler
christening: 18 Oct 1833 St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex
father: John Sadler
mother: Jane

 

[horse]

Looking for siblings and nothing stands out. There are these:

Susannah Sadler
christening: 15 Oct 1833 Holborn, Middlesex
father: John Sadler
mother: Jane

Susannah Sadler
christening: 18 Oct 1833 St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex
father: John Sadler
mother: Jane

Image says he is a baker

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok John born 1838 in 1841 then is one I don't have. If with parents we might get some info re Jane.