Jane FAIRFULL

[horse]

Elizabeth Esther Sadler
christening: 19 January 1800 ST MARY WHITECHAPEL, STEPNEY, LONDON
father: Robert Sadler
mother: Jane

That does not fit.

Jane FAIRFULL b. abt 1821.

No, I posted Fairfull/Sadler mar. because of the names. Jane Fairfull could be from the Edwards side

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I was give the wrong info then from baptism image. Birth reg for Beatrice is 1880.

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

I was give the wrong info then from baptism image. Birth reg for Beatrice is 1880.

I'll post a clip of the image, see what you think...

 

[DaveHam9]

No, I posted Fairfull/Sadler mar. because of the names. Jane Fairfull could be from the Edwards side

That may be the right baptism for the one who married in 1831 but it may not fit for Jane b. 1821 but I can't see how it fits the other Sadlers either.

 

[horse]

Date not too clear...

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. Yes. Mar crossed out and Feb 4.

 

[horse]

John must have married another Jane between 1870 and 1880. The baptism of Rose has her mother as Jane Eliza and Beatrice just as Jane, both recorded next to each other..

The age of Jane i 1881 is 29y, I just thought that was an error, may be it wasn't

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1871
Sadler John Robert W. Ham 4a 17
Cockman Eliza Sarah W. Ham 4a 17

Deaths Sep Qtr 1878
Sadler Eliza Sarah 43 Hackney 1b 332

Marriages Mar Qtr 1879
SADLER John Robert Fulham 1a 320
LOVE Jane Fulham 1a 320

Actually LORE.

 

[horse]

A possible...

Marriages Q1 1879
Howlett Eliza
LOVE Jane Fulham
Pratt Joseph Henry
SADLER John Robert
Fulham
1a 320

 

[horse]

You choose :2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 28 Mar 1879 - Hammersmith Middx
John Robert Sadler - father John Sadler
Jane Lo(r)e - father George Lore

 

[DaveHam9]

Several possible marriages for an Abraham EDWARDS. If we say London, Middlesex or Surrey it's down to 3 possible - Ann, Catherine or Sarah.

If we assume it's Ann where does that take us?

Does this marriage exist or has it been crossed out of the register?

Abraham Edwards
Spouse's Name: Ann Jay
Event Date: 19 Sep 1830
Event Place: St. Anne's, Westminster, Middlesex


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A witness to the 1860 marriage is a Sarah Jay EDWARDS.

Marriages Dec Qtr 1862
Edwards Sarah Jay Marylebone 1a 904
Katon Charles Owen Marylebone 1a 904


Deaths Mar Qtr 1902
Katon Sarah Jay 71 S. Stoneham 2c 44


Born abt 1831 Marlborough, Wilts - father James, a baker - mother Mary.

Does not seem to fit as Mary JAY. Trying to see if Ann and Mary were sisters.

 

[DaveHam9]

1881
RG11 Piece 238 Folio 29 Page 51
Name: Sarah Katon
Age (Original): 49
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1832
Birthplace: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Address: 9 Charlesworth St
Event Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Charles Owen Katon M 43 London St Georges, London, Middlesex, England
Wife Sarah Katon F 49 Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Son Frederick Charles Katon M 16 Islington, Middlesex, England
Visitor Ippolite Dominque Giorda? M 16 France


One tree has this baptism for Sarah but it's plainly wrong:

Sarah Edwards
christening: 14 Dec 1831 Warminster, Wiltshire
father: George Edwards
mother: Susanna

 

[DaveHam9]

There are some baptisms with parents Abraham a coachman and Anne but also some that can't be found, such as one around 1822 for Charlotte.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1841
Edwards Charlotte Wandsworth 4 491
McKEE Scott Wandsworth 4 491


If Abraham was buried in 1832 then age at death for daughter does not fit details in her marriage unless age in 1861 census 25 and age at death are both out:

Deaths Dec Qtr 1870
Sadler Jane Eliza 34 Shoreditch 1c 146


Several problems. You can't rely on the daughter's marriage saying father Abraham is deceased, or not. Several baptisms missing and a suspect banns entry which seems way too late considering Charlotte must have been born before 1823.

 

[DaveHam9]

Finding a lot more detail but it only adds to the puzzle.


A tree has spouse as Mary born abt 1803 Everley (Everleigh) and James born 1811 or earlier (rounded down to 30), also Wiltshire.

Some more census details might help such as a trace of James and family:

Name: James Edwards
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birthplace: Wiltshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Marlborough
Sub-District: Marlborough
Parish: Marlborough St Mary
County: Wiltshire

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

If we assume it's Ann where does that take us?

Does this marriage exist or has it been crossed out of the register?

Abraham Edwards
Spouse's Name: Ann Jay
Event Date: 19 Sep 1830
Event Place: St. Anne's, Westminster, Middlesex

Hi Dave

There is this, but 1817 Banns, can't see the marriage in London or E & W Index...

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Abraham Edwards
Spouse Name: Ann Jay
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 17 Aug 1817
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

How curious. Any sign of a James EDWARDS to a Mary JAY banns/marriage?

James EDWARDS may have died 1841-1851 but I think Mary may have been around even in 1861.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

How curious. Any sign of a James EDWARDS to a Mary JAY banns/marriage?

James EDWARDS may have died 1841-1851 but I think Mary may have been around even in 1861.

Dave

No luck with the marriage yet, common names doesn't help

This is the full 1841 census:
Civil Parish: St Mary The Virgin
Hundred: Devizes
County: Wiltshire
RD: Marlborough
Sub-RD: Marlborough
Piece: 1189; Book: 3; ED: 12; Folio: 26; Page: 2

James Edwards 30 [b. Wilts. Baker]
Mary Edwards 40 [do]
Matild Edwards 11 Mo [do]

This would put James' death abt. 1843
1851:
Civil Parish: Marlborough St Mary
Town: Marlborough
County: Wiltshire
RD: Marlborough
Sub-RD: Marlborough
ED: 9b; Piece: 1838; Folio: 174; Page: 17

Mary Edwards 48 [b. Everly, Wilts]
Matilda Edwards 10 [b. Marlborough]
Alexander Edwards 8 [do]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Oh!

Just checked the 1851 image, says Mary is wife and mar.

 

[horse]

Hmmm... bit of an age change if this them

1861
Civil Parish: St Mary
County: Wiltshire
RD: Marlborough
Sub-RD: Marlborough
ED: 12; Piece: 1289; Folio: 7; Page: 7

James Edwards 63 [Pewsey, Willts. Gen Lab, formerly baker]
Mary Edwards 58 Wife [b. Everly]
Thomas Croker 25 Lodger