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Jane/Jean BELL

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Hello,

1861
Name: Robert Mcluckie
Age: 49
Spouse's name : Jane B Mcluckie
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 654
Registration district: Rutherglen
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Blackfaulds Road
Occupation: Underground Manager
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 70
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_119
Robert Mcluckie 49
Jane B Mcluckie 48 Monkland
Alexander Mcluckie 22
Margaret Mcluckie 16
Helen Mcluckie 12
John Mcluckie 9
Robert Mcluckie 7
Ann Mcluckie 4 Rutherglen all other children Govan
1871 ?

1881
Name: Robert McLuckie
Age: 69
Spouse's name : Jean Mc Linckie
Gender: Male
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 646/2
Registration district: Partick
Civil Parish: Partick
Town: Partick
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Wilson Street
Occupation: Labourer
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_257
Robert McLuckie 69
Jean Mc Linckie 68
Margaret McLuckie 36
Death 1889 MCLUCKIE JANE BELL F 77 DALRY (AYR) /AYR 587/00 0128

I now have a copy and parents are listed at John Bell, engineer (deceased) and Jane CROK (deceased). EDIT: That is actually CROSS

Son John was the informant but we only have him to 1871 - an unmarried bricklayer in Barony. Two possibilities in 1881 and I don't know which one of the two to choose. No address given for John on the death certificate.

a) with wife Mary + children: John(1872), Mary (1874), Robert (1879), Alexander (1880). address: back of argyll st, fort william. occup plumber Source Citation: Parish: Kilmallie; ED: 3; Page: 22; Line: 1; Roll: cssct1881_153; Year: 1881

b) with wife martha + children: Jeannie (187, robert (1880) + bro law Robert reich ( aged 19). address 6 nicolson st (greenock west) occup builder Source Citation: Parish: Greenock West; ED: 21; Page: 26; Line: 1; Roll: cssct1881_166; Year: 1881.
 
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Jean was born Monkland according to every census abt 1813 but I can only find this one:

Janet Bell
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 24 Jul 1823
christening: 03 Aug 1823 ,​ OLD MONKLAND,​ LANARK,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1823 Old Monkland,​ Lanarkshire,​ Scotland
parents: John Bell,​ Jane Cross


It's not the Janet that worries me :) it's the 10 years difference.

Marriage 20 Oct 1838 Gorbals, Lanark
 
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groom's name: John Bell
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Jean Cross
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 05 Apr 1812
marriage place: , Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11652-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066602
reference number: 2:G4CM1N

And these two:

Margaret Bell
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 21 May 1817
christening: 01 Jun 1817 ,​ OLD MONKLAND,​ LANARK,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1817 Old Monkland,​ Lanarkshire,​ Scotland
parents: John Bell,​ Jane Cross

Christian Bell
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 26 Feb 1820
christening: 27 Feb 1820 ,​ OLD MONKLAND,​ LANARK,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1820 Old Monkland,​ Lanarkshire,​ Scotland
parents: John Bell,​ Jane Cross
 
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I'm still seeking Robert, Jane and daughter Margaret in 1871.

Also, I would like some help re John in 1881 by eliminating one if possible.

Thanks.

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Hi Dave

This could be Margaret and brothers..

1871 Census:
Margaret Mcluckie
Age: 26
Born abt 1845
Head
Born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Reg no: 644/8
Reg dist: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
Address: 4 Richard St

ED: 22; Page: 1; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1871_137

Margaret Mcluckie 26 [Weaver]
John Mcluckie 19 [Brother, b. abt 1852, Glasgow, bricklayer]
Robert Mcluckie 17 [Brother, b. abt 1854, Glasgow, joiner]

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Thanks Geoff. That looks right.

So Robert and Jane/Jean can't be found in 1871. With Margaret the head it suggests no lines are missing from census.


Death 1889 MCLUCKIE JANE BELL F 77 DALRY (AYR) /AYR 587/00 0128

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1889 Deaths in the Parish of Dalry in the County of Ayr
No. 128 Jane McLuckie (Married to Robert McLuckie General Labourer) - 1889 December Twenty-first 3h. 5m. A.M. Peesweep Row Dalry - F - 77 years - John Bell Engineer (deceased) Jane Bell M.S. Cross (deceased) - Chronis Bronchitis 21 days as cert. by Wm. Sloan M.D. - John McLuckie Son Present - 1889 December 23rd at Dalry John Ramsay Assist. Registrar AC

I've had no luck finding either John or Jane in 1841. It's possible of course that both had died by then. I can't find a baptism for either. Don't even know where they were born. Looks like this branch of my tree won't be extended.
 
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groom's name: John Bell
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Jean Cross
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 5 Apr 1812
marriage place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11652-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066602
reference number: 2:G4CM1N
 

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I'm at odds with them because I found a Robert Macluckie b. 1815 on SP but can get no further with it.

I also found a Robert Mcluckie in 1871 as an AB, on the 'Pride of England', he earned his mates ticket in the 1850's.. :rolleyes: :confused:
 

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This one is my direct line. Robert is a coal miner like his father Alexander.

1894 MCLUCKIE ROBERT M 82 RUTHERGLEN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 654/00 0064

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1894 Deaths in the District of Rutherglen in the County of Lanark
No. 64 Robert McLUCKIE Coal miner widower of Jane Bell - 1894 March Thirtieth 7 h. 20m. P.M. 44 Harriet Street Rutherglen - M - 82 years - Alexander McLuckie Coal miner (Deceased) Janet McLuckie M.S. Allan (Deceased) - General Debility No medical attendant - Janet Russell daughter Newton Cambuslang - 1894 March 31st at Rutherglen Archd. Gilchrist Registrar

1841
Piece 646 Place: Govan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Govan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Gorbals
Folio: 0 Page: 26
Address: Fire Works
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCLUCKIE Alexander M 60 Coal Miner Lanarkshire ? [Stirling]
MCLUCKIE Janet F 60 Lanarkshire ? [Stirling]
MCLUCKIE Janet F 11 Lanarkshire *** parents ?
MCLUCKIE Walter M 27 Lanarkshire

1851
Piece: 646 Place: Govan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Govan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Fireworks
Folio: 626 Page: 23 Schedule: 76
Address: Fireworks, Carter Row
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCLUCKIE Alexander Head M M 75 Coalminer Stirlingshire - Larbert
MCLUCKIE Janet Wife M F 76 Stirlingshire - Larbert
FRASER Peter Lodger U M 25 Stoker Perth - Errol
BAIRD Michael Lodger U M 10 Scholar Ayrshire - Kilmarnock
 

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Re possible baptism for Jean CROSS, there are too many even in Lanark 1785-1795.

Now looking at naming patterns.

Possible parents for Jean/Jane/Janet CROSS:

Ebenezer & Marion
William & Isabel
John & Frances
John & Elizabeth
Robert & Jean
James & Elizabeth
John & Ann
John & Jean

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Children:

Jean if m m
Alexander f f = yes
Janet f m = yes
Margaret m = no
Helen m = no
John if m f
Robert f =yes
Ann

Seems to point to this one - same parish where she married but would be only 16:

Janet Cross
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 05 Mar 1796
christening: 03 Apr 1796 , OLD MONKLAND, LANARK, SCOTLAND
residence: 1796 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
parents: John Cross, Jean Donald


None of the 8 children have middle names - not one with Donald. :D
 
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These are 1810 - 1820 for Jane and Jean

27/01/1811 CROSS JANET ROBERT CROSS/JANET SELKIRK FR208 (FR208) F CAMBUSNETHAN /LANARK

18/09/1816 CROSS JEAN JOHN CROSS/MARY HART FR195 (FR195) F GLASSFORD GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK
26/09/1816 CROSS JEAN JOHN CROSS/MARY HART FR650 (FR650) F HAMILTON /LANARK
03/10/1817 CROSS JEAN JOHN CROSS/JEAN JOHNSTONE FR2419 (FR2419) F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK
28/05/1819 CROSS JEAN EBENEZER CROSS/JEAN FALCONER FR2553 (FR2553) F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK

EDIT sorry - 1820
 

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Geoff, the marriage was 5 April 1812 Old Monkland so I was looking 1785-1795. :)

Jane born not long after:

26/07/1812 BELL JANE JOHN BELL/JANE CROSS FR236 (FR236) F OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0010 0306
 

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Oh, well I should have posted the index entry I had for Jane from SP for 1812 earlier.


CROSS from the death certificate. I have a good collection of them gathered over the past 5 years. :)

Also this earlier one with no mother listed:

Jane Cross
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 22 Oct 1786 , OLD MONKLAND, LANARK, SCOTLAND
residence: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
parents: John Cross
 
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That's a likely one I think Geoff. Marion, Isabel, Frances, Elizabeth and Ann don't fit and it's Old Monkland.

I'll have another look in 1841 and then have a look for a death for John and Jean.


Name: John Cross
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Birthplace: Lanarkshire
Parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1791
GS Film number: 1042783

Does not seem to be a Jane/Jean/Janet CROSS of about same age in Old Monkland.

Can't see a John or Jane/Jean/Janet BELL in 1841 in Old Monkland.


Deaths 33x John BELL 1820-1854 in Lanark and none in Old Monkland.

Deaths 7x John BELL 1842-1854 in Lanark.

No deaths 1820-1854 in Old Monkland for a Jane/Jean/Janet BELL.
 
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