Janet & Violet JACK

[DaveHam9]

1861
Registration No: 573/1
Registration District: Paisley
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrewshire
Roll: CSSCT1861_80 Page 6
ED: 15
Address: 33 George St
John Lochead Head Mar 26 Shawl Weaver Paisley
Jessie Lochead Wife Mar 23 Paisley
William Jack Boarder Unm 26 Grocer Paisley
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Violet Jack 60 Paisley
Janet Jack Niece 22 Thread Mill Worker Paisley

This seems to be the same Violet. There is another Violet in 1851 but born Midlothian.

Piece: SCT1851/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire ED: 1
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 465 Page: 10 Schedule: 41
Address: 56 Causeyside
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GIBSON James Head M M 33 Wine And Spirit Retailer Renfrewshire - Paisley
GIBSON Janet Wife M F 31 Renfrewshire - Paisley
GIBSON John Son - M 5 Renfrewshire - Paisley
GIBSON James Son - M 3 Renfrewshire - Paisley
JACK Violet Aunt U F 45 General Servant Renfrewshire - Paisley

I'm trying to find Janet's parents and to see if William Jack is related to Janet & Violet.

Dave

 

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Piece: SCT1851/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire ED: 21
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 474 Page: 17 Schedule: 73
Address: 4 Dovesland
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GOURLAY Robert Head M M 70 Hand Loom Weaver Co. Tyrone - -
GOURLAY Agness Wife M F 65 Renfrewshire - Paisley
GOURLAY Mary Dau U F 26 Sewer In Warehouse Renfrewshire - Paisley
GOURLAY Robert Son U M 23 Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire - Paisley
JACK Elizabeth Dau W F 40 Sewer In Warehouse Renfrewshire - Paisley
JACK Janet Grndau - F 12 Weavers Assistant Renfrewshire - Paisley


Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire ED: 20
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 42 Page: 9
Address: Dovesland
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HART John M 20 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire
HART Jean F 20 Renfrewshire
Page: 10
HART John M 3 Renfrewshire
HART Robert M 1 Renfrewshire
JACK Janet F 2 Renfrewshire

 

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JACK
JANET
ANDREW JACK/ISOBEL LOCHHEAD FR2285 (FR2285)
F
10/11/1839
559/
70 192
Abbey

Mother not Elizabeth so something is not fitting.

Only one Janet Jack born Renfrew 1837 - 1841 on SP.

HART
JOHN
JEAN GOURLAY/FR2850 (FR2850)
10/02/1838
559/
80 421
Abbey

 

[DaveHam9]

No marriage for an Elizabeth Gourlay to a Jack.

We have a problem. 2x Janet and only the one birth/bap.

Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire ED: 23
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 45 Page: 14
Address: Hartstown Farm
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
JACK Andw M 50 Farmer Outside Census County (1841)
JACK Isabella F 35 Renfrewshire
JACK Andw M 11 Renfrewshire
JACK James M 6 Renfrewshire
JACK Jannet F 1 Renfrewshire
LOCHEAD Barbara F 16 Female Servant Renfrewshire
KENNEDY Duncan M 20 Agricultural Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
ADAMS George M 20 Agricultural Labourer Outside Census County (1841)

 

[DaveHam9]

No birth/bapt for Violet Jack. Looks to be unmarried all through.

No Elizabeth Gourlay to Jack marriage and no birth/bapt for daughter Janet.

And can't find Elizabeth Jack in 1841. Janet with the Hart family.

Can't see yet how Violet is an aunt of Gibsons.

James Gibson seems to be married to Janet Crawford.

 

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The other Janet in 1851

Piece: SCT1851/562 Place: Eastwood -Renfrewshire ED: 2
Civil Parish: Eastwood Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 456 Page: 31 Schedule: 105
Address: Leggaston
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
JACK Andrew Head M M 63 Farmer 63ac Emp 1 Lab Lanarkshire - New Monkland
JACK / LOCHEAD E. Wife M F 45 Farmer Wife Renfrewshire - Eastwood
JACK James Son U M 15 Farmer Son Renfrewshire - Paisley
JACK Janet Dau U F 11 Farmer Daur Renfrewshire - Paisley
JACK Isabella Dau U F 4 Farmer Daur Renfrewshire - Paisley
Page: 32
SINCLAIR Fanny Servnt U F 16 Farmers House Servant Argyllshire - Loch Gilphead
REILEY Thomas Servnt U M 35 Farm Servant Unknown - Danna


Can't see the marriage for John Lochead to Jessie.

 

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Can't see the marriage for John Lochead to Jessie.

Possible..

FS:
John Lochhead [sic] =Jessie Moodie
13 Aug 1858
Abbey Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland

Geoff

EDIT:
Also on SP..

LOCHHEAD JOHN = MOODIE JESSIE
1858
559/1 90
Abbey Burgh

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

One Janet accounted for but not the one with Violet in 1861.

Still can't say how William might be related to Violet & Janet.

Alexander JACK & Isabell GRAHAM
14 Jan 1821 Middle Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Batch: M119615

Alexander JACK & Isobell GRAHAM
13 Jan 1821 Abbey Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Batch: M119589

No baptism found for Alexander senior. Five sons:

Alexander * not found after 1871
John Lymburn * not found after 1841
James Graham * died Qld.
Graham/Graeme ? * not found after 1851
William * died Qld.

Dave

 

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James Gibson seems to be married to Janet Crawford.

John & James' mother's surname = Crawford

Choice of marriage

GIBSON JAMES
JANET CRAWFORD/FR1248 [FR1248]
24/09/1845
573/3
50 428
Paisley Burgh or Low

GIBSON JAMES
JANET CRAWFORD/FR832 [FR832]
24/09/1845
573/1
40 219
Paisley High Church

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Probably posted banns in bride's and groom's parish.

Finding lots of stuff but not solving the problem.

Dave