Jean Broughton

[DMB]

Hi, i am looking for information about my mothers parents. My mother sadly died 26 years ago and I have little information about her parents.
I believe my mother was born in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire on the 27/09/1939. I don't have any first names of either parent, just the surname Broughton. My mothers name was Jean.
I understand this is little info but would appreciate any help.

Regards,

DMB

 

[gortonboy]

hi,,,welcome to the forum.

was Broughton your mothers birth name or married name? who did she marry ?

 

[dochines]

There would appear to be only 2 Jean Broughtons with births registered in 1939.

one is in South shields Co Durham (1939 3q 10a 1205) with mothers maiden name as Smith

the other is in Basford Nottinghamshire with mother's maiden name Day

dochines

 

[dochines]

looking for a marriage of a Mr Broughton to a Miss Smith that might match the birth and still connect with Dewsbury. The best match is a marriage of
George A Broughon to an Edith W Smith in Leeds in 1938 (1938 2Q Leeds district 9b1184)

I stress these are best fits, not neessarily the right ones. Can you see any similarity in name patterns which might lend weight to these as being correct ?

As there were only 2 births it might be worth obtaining a certificate for the South Shields birth and see if the date ties in exactly with the one you have.

South Shields was I believe a big Army base and perhaps that is why they were there if grandfather was in the Army?

Hope this sets you on your way with your family research. Sorry you may have a Smith to cope with!

dochines

 

[davelambert271]

hi
I too am having difficulty finding Jeans birth, however I have a theory.

if you are the youngest of three, 2 girls and 1 boy then I believe that your mother married a Frederick J Wildman in Jun qtr 1960 at Nelson ref 10e 980. He was born Mar qtr 1943 in Nelson ref 8e 279, which would make him about 17/18 at marriage. Nelson could be reg district for Colne?

There is a death in Nelson of a Jean Wildman in Mar 1986 with a birth given as 27/9/1938

Apart from the two births found by Dochines there is a birth of Jean Broughton at Dewsbury in the last qtr of 1933 ref 9d 640, with a mothers name of Sergeant. Did Jean knock 5/6 years off her age so it appeared she was nearer to the age of her husband. Do you have proof of her birth year?

All theory, we really need some more info if possible. Did your mother have siblings and if so are they these-
Derrick 1929, Dorothy 1932, Wilfred 1937, Muriel 1939 and possibly Glenda 1951, all born Dewsbury with a mother Sergeant.

dave

 

[DMB]

Hi Gortonboy, Dochines & Dave..thankyou so much for your replies.

Firstly my mother's maiden name was indeed Broughton and she did marry Frederick Wildman, I am the eldest of the 3 children born to them.
The Jean Broughton who died in Nelson in 1986 was indeed my beloved mother Dave.
It's very complicated Dave as my mother told us that she was abandoned on a train as a baby, but she also told us that the gentleman she called Dad who brought her up with his second wife Freda Broughton in Colne was in fact her real Dad...complicated i know. you have to ask yourself if she was abandoned on a train as a baby how did her real father come to bring her up until his death when she was in her early teens. When I asked any questions about what happened everyone seemed to clam up and not want to talk about it.
As for having any proof of her date of birth I have one of the short birth certs but it doesn't give any info about her birth mother or father.

I am going up to see my father this evening and will ask him if there is anything he remembers having been told and report back..

Thankyou so much for all of your's help so far..this is something both my mother and now myself have wanted to try and do for years...find out who her birth mother was and what happened to her....It would absolutely mean everything to me to finally get some answers to these questions.

DMB

 

[DMB]

Hi again,

Having just spoke to my father Frederick Wildman he tells me that the gentleman who my mother believed to be her father was Albert Broughton, I have no date of birth or anything but know he was married to Freda. He died in her early teens we think, a bit vague I know but this is all new to me.
I'm going to contact my mothers step brothers, Freda's sons by her forst marriage and see if they can throw any light on this but I presume they were told the same story as myself. If I come up with any more info I will report back.

Thanks again,

DMB

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
Whilst you were away, I was working on the theory that Broughton may not be your mothers birth name. I also looked for a marriage between a Broughton and Freda. I came up with Albert Broughton to Freda M o'neill married A/J qtr 1952 Nelson ref 10e 969. Seems a little late, but I wonder if this is them as it tallies with your last post

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Dawn
This could be Freda.
Freda M Wood married John O'neill - O/D qtr 1931 Burnley ref 8e 459
children
Donald A 1932 Burnley and John T 1941 Nelson

2nd marriage
Freda M O'neill to Albert Broughton A/J qtr 1952 Nelson ref 10e 969

there is a death of an Albert Broughton O/D qtr 1956 Nelson, birth as 1902
dave

 

[DMB]

Hi Dave,

The Freda you have come up with is indeed my grandma...my mothers step mother. I wasn't aware that my mother was so old when her father died.
My father is wondering if my mother was in fact adopted by Freda and Albert, although my mother always insisted he was her real father.
Is there anyway of finding out if Albert was married before or where he was born?
Hope i'm not asking too much of you.

DMB.

 

[dochines]

I am sorry if I took you off on the wrong path assuming Broughton was her married name. Looks as though Dave has however done some excellent work sorting this out for you

good luck with the rest of the searching

dochines

 

[DMB]

dochines there is no need to apologise at all, maybe it was the way I worded it.
Yep Dave has really come up trumps so far, i'm really grateful as is my father Frederick. To be very honest it's both exciting and sad. Exciting for us to hopefully find out where my mother came from and who her birth family where. Sad that we didn't do it before my mother died, I think it would have helped her know who she was, something I think she always had trouble with which caused her to have many insecurities.

Thanks again, i'm so glad i googled this site last night.

Regards,

DMB

 

[gortonboy]

hi,,i think Albert Broughton may have been born in Barrow in 1902...son of Thomas Broughton born c 1874 Leeds and Bertha born c 1874 Hull.
Thomas was a horse dealer/travelling fairman.
If i am correct...Bertha dies in Leeds in 1908 age 34,,,thier children being Florence May b 1896 Clitheroe
Albert b 1902 Barrow
Charles Edward b 1906 Clitheroe

Thomas then remarries in the same year {1908} to Matilda Middleditch b 1890
They have a daughter Jessie b 1910 Colne.

Thomas and Matilda can be found in the 1911 census in Colne living with her father Dorcus Middleditch b 1859 Liskyard,Cornwall.
Florence,Albert and Charles are described as "stepgrandchildren" Jessie as "grandchild".

 

[gortonboy]

Thomas and Matilda may have had 2 further children,both have mothers maiden name of Middleditch.

Leonard Broughton b 1921 Burnley
Trevor Broughton b 1929 Burnley

 

[davelambert271]

Thomas was on the 1901 census at Clitheroe Fairground, aged 28 described as a travelling fairman. He was with wife Bertha aged 27 from Hull and child Florence 6 born Clitheroe

Tom Walter Broughton married Bertha Nixon Dec qtr 1894 Preston ref 8c 915

I could not find Thomas in 1891 but I believe this is him in 1881

BROUGHTON, Alfred Head Married M 40 1841 Groom (Nd) Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Mary Wife Married F 38 1843 Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Alfred Son Single M 18 1863 Tailor Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Robert Son Single M 16 1865 Boiler Maker Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Charles Son Single M 16 1865 Miner Collier (Coal) Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Tom Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Albert Son Single M 7 1874 Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Jane Daughter Single F 4 1877 Leeds Yorkshire
BROUGHTON, Leonard Son Single M 0 1881 Leeds Yorkshire


Piece:4529 Folio:143 Page: 44
Registration District:Leeds

Civil Parish: Leeds
Address: 21, Back Craven Street, Leeds Yorkshire (West riding)

So the family were not always travellers. I think it is the same family, Thomas and Leonard tie in with the 1911 census, which you have

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Dawn
you asked if Albert had been married before Freda. There are two possibilities
1 - Elsie Crawshaw, Jun qtr 1918 Leeds ref 9b 587 and
2 - Florrie Cowling, Sep qtr 1934 Burnley ref 8e 746

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Dawn
Thanks for sending me a copy of the birth cert. It is the first time I have seen a short one. So we know the date of the birth was 12/9/1938, but where was it recorded? You say Dewsbury, but how do you know this ? I think it would be a good idea to get a full cert as this should give you more detail. It will cost you just under £10, from the GRO. I can't read the ref numbers but you may be able to on the original.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
I wonder why the cert was dated 1947. Was there some change to the original at this time. If you are going to get a full cert, I would quote all the info recorded on the short one, just to be sure.

I don't know if the marriage cert would give her father's name and occupation. The witnesses may help as well - http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi...08754&surname=BROUGHTON&forename=Jean&area=PN

dave

 

[DMB]

Hi Dave,

Sorry took so long to reply, i've been on the phone to my uncle Donald and chatting to my father again tonight.
It appears that when Albert married Freda my mother came with him, so her being adopted by the both of them after marriage is out the door.
The Florrie Cowling seems to be more of a possibility I suppose as the length of time for it to be Elsie Crawshaw was too long with my mother being born in 1938.
You wouldn't be able to find any more info on Florrie would you. I know it's a big request but I havn't a clue what to do myself. If she died before 1950 she could have been Alberts first wife and Jeans mother.

Regards,

DMB

P.S. going to order a full Birth Cert tomorrow and see what we get there..

Thanks a million.

 

[gortonboy]

there is a birth of a Florrie Cowling in Burnley registered oct/nov/dec 1912...but also a death of a Florrie Broughton in 2005 Lancashire,,her birth recorded as September 1912,,,which could be her....so if it is the Florrie who married Albert Broughton,,,she did not die until 2005 ?

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Dawn
I think we have reached a pause until we see the results of the cert. We could trace the families further back, but until we are sure it may be a pointless exercise and just confuse things further.
Can you say why you think Jean's birth was in Dewsbury, as it does not give this on the short cert, and have you asked your dad if he just happens to have his mge cert.....

dave