John A /Alfred J & Ellen MATTHEWS

[DaveHam9]

1861
RG9 Piece 361 Folio 53 Page 21
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County: Surrey
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-RD: Kennington Second
ED: 13
No of schedule: 109
Alfred J Matthews Head Mar 42 Enfield Middlesex
Ellen Matthews Wife Mar 36
Isaac Matthews 14
Frederick Matthews 13
Faith Matthews 11
Justice Matthews 10


Looking for Alfred John/John Alfred and Ellen in 1871 ? and later ? and their deaths.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
HO107 Piece 1703 Folio 345 Page 1
Civil Parish: Enfield
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Edmonton
ED:
Address: Baker St
John A Matthews Head Mar 32 Painter Enfield
Ellen Wife Mar 26 Milliner North Mimms Herts
Isaac son 4 Hatfield Herts
Fredk son 2 Hatfield Herts
Faith dau 1 Enfield
Harriet Weatherley Servant 14 Enfield

Marriages Sep Qtr 1846
Matthews John Alfred Wolverhampton 17 353
Wilson Ellen Wolverhampton 17 353

Alfred John Matthews & Ellen Wilson
9 Aug 1846 Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Batch: M018179

 

[DaveHam9]

MATTHEWS Justice S 17 'Royal Dane' 2 Dec 1871 IMM/114 176 Z1958

Qld. Marriage 1875/B4677 Berry Joseph - Matthews Justice Sarah

Qld. Death 1938/B38122 Berry Justice Sarah - Alfred John Matthews - Ellen Willson

Justice in 1871?

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

Nothing on Justice in 1871 yet

A tree has John A's death at 1864, there is this..
Same tree has 1902 Qld for Ellen, not validated, a couple of others have the same

BMD:
Deaths JQ2 1864
Matthews John Alfred
Lambeth
1d, 235

Interestingly no obvious deaths for an Alfred 1861-1881 that would fit..

Geoff

 

[Bootzy]

what a conundrum of family... good challenge tho... the children of Alfred John & Ellen came out to Oz as well as Mother Ellen, except for son Isaac he stayed/married and died UK.

Faith Matthews b 1850 arrived Qld 1870 on “Maryborough” – 1st married 1873 George Odling Dawe (he died 1878 ) - her 2nd marriage Oct 1881 to Edward Slaughter – she died 1911 Qld. – Brisbane Courier Mail 19 June 1911
Deaths - 1911 B14226 Faith Slaughter Alfred John Matthews Ellen Wilson

Frederick Francis Matthews and Justice Matthews arrived in Qld on “Royal Dane” Oct 1871
Frederick’s death - 1931 B15191 Frederick Francis Matthews John Alfred Matthews Helen Wilson – Brisbane Courier Mail – 14 Sept 1931.

Trees say Mother Ellen/Helen Matthews nee Wilson arrived in Qld & died 1902, - Ellen remarried in Qld 1866 to Alfred Slaughter – Qld BMD has this for her death - 1902 B2221 Ellen Slaughter - Wilson Sarah Newman - (marriage 1823 St Marylebone London Sarah Newman to Isaac Wilson).

How and why did Mum Ellen pack her ports and go to Oz leaving the children behind after Alfred’s death in 1864 unless she knew Alfred Slaughter – it’s also interesting that note’s on Tree of her daughter Faith’s 2nd marriage to Edward Slaughter – Faith is daughter of father’s 3rd wife Ellen (nee Wilson) that is step-sister & brother marrying.. married at Faith’s home at Edward st according to Baptist rites.

Could Ellen have come out to Qld under her maiden name on “Sultana” 1865 on Qld Immigrants from British Isles & Germany or as Ellen Matthew age 33 from Liverpool to Brisbane 13 Oct 1863 on “Rockhampton” – Qld Passenger Lists. - Tree suggest that if she paid her way then probably no record of her arrival..

for Mother Ellen's death - The Queenslander Sat 29 March 1902
SLAUGHTER.—On the 20th March, Ellen Slaughter, relict of the late Mr. Alfred Slaughter, sen., and mother of Mrs. J. Berry, aged 77 years.

regards
Val

 

[horse]

Hi Val

Yeah, I assumed Dave knew details re Slaughter 'tags'.

Ellen's birth is a bit of a problem, no parents found yet, unless you've had more luck..

Not sure where Justice is in 1871, not with Isaac or Frederick.. Isaac looks to have arrived 1874..

That John Alfred death fits well for Ellen's remarriage.

Like you said a good challenge this one

Geoff

 

[Bootzy]

Justice Sarah Berry nee Matthews Mother’s mother…

Sarah Newman b 1803 Stevenage Hertfordshire married 1823 Isaac Wilson (he died 1850 ) – Sarah remarried 28 Sept 1850 St Mary Islington to Thomas Thickings (marriage Banns cert online). States she’s a widow (her father William Newman a Steward) Died 27 Nov 1869 Hatfield Hertfordshire. Her Will has her as Innkeeper.

Justice's Mother.
Birth Baptism:
Name: Helen Wilson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1825
Baptism Place: North Mimms,Hertford,England
Father: Isaac Wilson
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 569750

 

[horse]

Marriages Wolverhampton & District:
Male
MATTHEWS John Alfred
full age
bach
10 Aug 1846
Painter
Wolverhampton
Father C.Matthews Plumber
WILLSON Ellen
St.Peters

Female
WILLSON Ellen
full age
single
10 Aug 1846
Wolverhampton
Father J.Willson Deceased
MATTHEWS John Alfred
St.Peters

Ellen's father dec. when married.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hmmm..

One or two minor discrepancies on the Willson/Wilson side

Geoff

EDIT: Not inconceivable that I and/or J could have been an error..

 

[horse]

John Alfred's occ. same in 1851, so probably correct marriage..

Geoff

 

[horse]

So Ellen's 1902 death looks to fit quite well now..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Birth Baptism:
Name: Helen Wilson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1825
Baptism Place: North Mimms,Hertford,England
Father: Isaac Wilson
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 569750

Found the image now, Father = Isaac, dau = Helen.

Geoff

 

[Bootzy]

Sorry Geoff re son Isaac, some of those Trees are a bit off course...

Isaac Matthews b 1847 arrived Qld on “Royal Dane” 4 May 1874 age 28 - married Esther Victoria Haszell March Qtr 1870 W.Ham Vol 4a page 31 – he died 1881 Balmain NSW. Buried Balmain Cemetery 1 Aug 1881

The passenger list for Royal Dane also needs to show Esther wife and a child Ellen age 3-4yrs travelling with Isaac. (1871 UK census just has baby Ellen age 8mths.)

His Marriage in UK
Name: Isaac Matthews
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 1870
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Canning Town, Essex, England
Father: Alfred John Matthews
Spouse: Esther Victoria Haszell
FHL Film Number: 001471967

Esther’s death - MATTHEWS ESTHER V 8323/1928 - JOSEPH - 83 YRS BALMAIN NORTH BALMAIN NORTH

 

[horse]

Sorry Geoff re son Isaac, some of those Trees are a bit off course...

Isaac Matthews b 1847 arrived Qld on “Royal Dane” 4 May 1874 age 28 - married Esther Victoria Haszell March Qtr 1870 W.Ham Vol 4a page 31 – he died 1881 Balmain NSW. Buried Balmain Cemetery 1 Aug 1881

The passenger list for Royal Dane also needs to show Esther wife and a child Ellen age 3-4yrs travelling with Isaac. (1871 UK census just has baby Ellen age 8mths.)

His Marriage in UK
Name: Isaac Matthews
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 1870
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Canning Town, Essex, England
Father: Alfred John Matthews
Spouse: Esther Victoria Haszell
FHL Film Number: 001471967

Esther’s death - MATTHEWS ESTHER V 8323/1928 - JOSEPH - 83 YRS BALMAIN NORTH BALMAIN NORTH

Thanks, Val... I didn't really look much into Isaac Matthews, I just noticed him on Dave's 1851 census and noticed an Issac among the 'Matthews' on the Qld 1848-1912 arrivals for 1874.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

Thanks Geoff.

I had a bit of that.

3rd Marriage for Alfred 1866/B01927 Slaughter Alfred - Matthews Ellen
23 Nov 1866 Wesleyan Parsonage Brisbane
Witnesses Thomas Slaughter and George Down (Later Mayor of Brisbane)

Toowong Cemetery
Portion 13 Section 65 Grave 7
Slaughter Ellen F 21 / 03 / 1902 Unknown

Dave

 

[maryc2]

1861
RG9 Piece 361 Folio 53 Page 21
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County: Surrey
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-RD: Kennington Second
ED: 13
No of schedule: 109
Alfred J Matthews Head Mar 42 Enfield Middlesex
Ellen Matthews Wife Mar 36
Isaac Matthews 14
Frederick Matthews 13
Faith Matthews 11
Justice Matthews 10


Looking for Alfred John/John Alfred and Ellen in 1871 ? and later ? and their deaths.

Thanks,

Dave

I have just picked up on these old posts, and am also interested in Ellen Slaughter's whereabouts. My present search is to try to clarify the time period when Alfred Slaughter snr returned to the Old Country, following the tragic death of his second wife, Emma (de Fraine) on the Fiery Star in April 1865 and his marriage to Ellen whom he is believed to have met on the cruise home, and their subsequent marriage on 23 November 1866 in Brisbane. As Alfred snr is my great great grandfather, and Edward his son, my great grandfather, with his first wife Sarah Eliza my great grandmother, you could say I have a vested interest in these families. I was elated when I was able to write a story about Emma Slaughter's disappearance some years ago as a result of my Trove timelining which was published in the Queensland Family History Journal. Could it be that Alfred snr and Ellen travelled on the Sultana from Liverpool in November 1865, arriving Moreton Bay in March 1866.? Anyone care to offer a scenario?
Thanks,
Mary

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Jun Qtr 1864 MATTHEWS John Alfred [45] Lambeth 1d 235

Ellen would have arrived after that death. I have no arrival for her before 23 Nov 1866.

I have nothing in my tree to say Alfred returned to England after Emma's death.

Dave

 

[maryc2]

I have just picked up on these old posts, and am also interested in Ellen Slaughter's whereabouts. My present search is to try to clarify the time period when Alfred Slaughter snr returned to the Old Country, following the tragic death of his second wife, Emma (de Fraine) on the Fiery Star in April 1865 and his marriage to Ellen whom he is believed to have met on the cruise home, and their subsequent marriage on 23 November 1866 in Brisbane. As Alfred snr is my great great grandfather, and Edward his son, my great grandfather, with his first wife Sarah Eliza my great grandmother, you could say I have a vested interest in these families. I was elated when I was able to write a story about Emma Slaughter's disappearance some years ago as a result of my Trove timelining which was published in the Queensland Family History Journal. Could it be that Alfred snr and Ellen travelled on the Sultana from Liverpool in November 1865, arriving Moreton Bay in March 1866.? Anyone care to offer a scenario?
Thanks,
Mary

Hi Dave,
My thoughts about Alfred Snr making a nostalgic visit to the Old Country were based on comments in The Slaughter Family Story - The family of Richard and Elizabeth Slaughter in Australia (1999) page 16. Justice Sarah (aka Jessie) Matthews (Berry) was reported to have commented on their meeting up. Am presently searching Trove passenger lists in the hope of finding any signposts. This Slaughter dynasty is a never-ending-story, isn't it!! Thanks, Mary

 

[DaveHam9]

This Slaughter dynasty is a never-ending-story, isn't it!!

Yes, for sure Mary. Justice would have still been in England.

MATTHEWS Justice S 17 'Royal Dane' 2 Dec 1871 IMM/114 176 Z1958

I doubt Trove will list many of the passengers on the 'Sultana' as there were about 500 on board.

 

[DaveHam9]

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1271593
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Mon 1 May 1865 Page 1
BUILDING SOCIETY, No. 4
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1274572
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Sat 1 Jul 1865 Page 7
...
For particulars apply to ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Queen-street.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1276758
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Mon 14 Aug 1865 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.
Brisbane, August 12, 1865.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1279519
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Mon 2 Oct 1865 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1260063
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Wed 3 Jan 1866 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.
Brisbane, January 1.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1264047
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Wed 14 Mar 1866 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary pro tem.
March 2,1866.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1268523
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Sat 2 Jun 1866 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1274968
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Mon 1 Oct 1866 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.
Brisbane, October 1.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1276847
The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) Mon 19 Nov 1866 Page 1
...
ALFRED SLAUGHTER, Sen., Secretary.
Brisbane, November 19.

Plus many others in between those.