John Alfred MATTHEWS & Ellen WILSON

[DaveHam9]

John Alfred b. 17 Aug 1818 c. 29 Jul 1821 St Andrew Enfield, Middlesex
Chamberlain MATTHEWS & Mary
Batch: C067861

John Alfred MATTHEWS & Ellen WILSON
10 Aug 1846 St Peter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Father's Name: C. Mathews
Spouse's Father's Name: T. Wilson

1851
HO107 Piece 1703 Folio 345 Page 1
Civil Parish: Enfield
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Edmonton
Sub-RD: Edmonton
ED: 1c
No of Schedule: 2
Address: Baker St
John A Matthews Head Mar 32 Painter Enfield Middlesex
Ellen Matthews Wife Mar 26 Milliner North Mimms Hertfordshire
Isaac Matthews Son 4 Hatfield Hertfordshire
Fredk Matthews Son 2 Hatfield Hertfordshire
Faith Matthews Dau 1 Enfield Middlesex
Harriet Weatherley Servant 14 Servant Hatfield Hertfordshire


Ellen remarried and died in Queensland.

Death 1902/B02221 Slaughter Ellen - [T] Wilson - Sarah Newman

Looking for John and Ellen in 1841.

Looking for anything on John's parents and Ellen's parents.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[emeltee]

Chamberlain Matthews bapt. 3 Feb 1793 Enfield parents Joseph and Mary

Possible marriage 6 June 1813 Paddington to Mary Hobbs

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Looking at the image of the 1846 marriage Ellen's father could be I Wilson, rather than T Wilson.

In the 1851 Census she says she was born 1825 in North Mimms. Fs has a baptism 3 April 1825 in North Mimms for a Helen Wilson, parents Isaac and Sarah.

There is a baptism in North Mimms 1803 for an Isaac Wilson, parents George and Elizabeth and a death for an Isaac Wilson in Hatfield 1838 aged 37, which is only a couple of years out

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Possibly Ellen in 1841

HO107/436/10/F18/p30
Pond Hill, Bishops Hatfield, Herts
Ellen Wilson 16 born Herts

In the household of a Charles Hickson.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

I took the 'T' from the transcription of the 1846 marriage.

Can't find a marriage to a Sarah Newman. Don't know who the informant was so no way of knowing how accurate 'Newman' might be.

Interesting names for daughters - Faith and Justice.

I can't see John Alfred in 1841.

Dave

 

[horse]

I can't see John Alfred in 1841.

Possible, though may be married, possible child not on the transcription...

1841
RD: Strand
Sub-RD: St Mary
Ref: Piece: 741; Book: 1; Folio: 34; Page
Sophia Busvine 55
John Busvine 20
Jane Busvine 15
Thomas Hanlgson 5
John Matthews 23 [BiC. Painter]
Elizabeth Matthews 24 [Bic]
John Matthews 1 3/4 on the image only

Geoff

 

[horse]

No obvious birth reg for John Jr. If it's 1839 Westminster reg., there is no mmn.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Given the age diff John could have been married before.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Given the age diff John could have been married before.

Yeah, not convincing though and nothing to support it yet..

Geoff

EDIT: May not have even married?

 

[horse]

This is interesting.. address on the image is 12 Baker St., same street as the 1851 census for John & Ellen.. Strange he's not on the census for 1851, unless he was in the infirmary.

John Frances Matthews
Age: 12
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1839
Death Date: abt 1851
Burial Date: 11 May 1851
Burial Place: St Andrew, Enfield, Enfield

Geoff

 

[horse]

John Francis Matthews, Edmonton 1839.. mmn = TROLLEY

Geoff

 

[horse]

Can't see a marriage, it may have flaws..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

It's a possible.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Chamberlain c. 3 Feb 1793 Enfield, Middlesex
Joseph MATTHEWS & Mary


Marriage of Joseph & Mary ??