John BENTON & Caroline

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I'm having problems finding a marriage for a John BENTON to a Caroline 1838-1845 UK or Australia or ???

Probably closer to 1845 as Caroline would have been 17 in 1838. First known birth is in NSW in 1845.

I've looked in Qld., NSW and Vic. and UK in FS and FreeBMD.

IGI has this one:

John BENTON & Caroline BENGE
Marriage: 28 May 1843 St George, Gravesend, Kent

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a birth/baptism for that Caroline.

I still can't find them in shipping records if they are the parents of children born in NSW from 1845 onwards.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

There is a John Benton marriage in 1843 Gravesend, Kent.

Brides listed Caroline Benge - Ann Frances Ribbens - Sarah Webster Sutherland.

Only 2 grooms listed and 3 brides. Didnt see your posting of this marriage.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

I went back to old IGI and found a match but am still stuck trying to show they are the right couple.

If they can be found in England in 1851 then they are ruled out. If they can't be found then it's back to searching shipping records.

No parents listed on the death reg for Caroline in NSW. Age at death gives birth about 1821.

Death
3248/1859 BENTON CAROLINE AGE 38 YEARS DIED GOULBURN GOULBURN

possible
6418/1891 BENTON JOHN - BARNEY - VICTORIA - GOULBURN ?

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Have a christening for a Caroline Benge born abt 1825 - christened 16 Jane 1825 - Northfleet, Kent.

Father John Benge - Mother Mary

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

There is a couple in 1851 John and Caroline Benton, Carolines details born abt 1825 Northfleet Kent. Thats them ruled out.

 

[DaveHam9]

I'd say that is an unlikely death for John given this marriage in NSW

3214/1861 BENTON BARRY - HALLAM VICTORIA - YASS

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Julie.

Why would they baptise six children at the same time?

One possible reason is that they baptised them after a late marriage.

V18543498 40/1854 BENTON GEORGE W JOHN CAROLINE
V18543499 40/1854 BENTON JESSIE JOHN CAROLINE
V18543500 40/1854 BENTON HELEN JOHN CAROLINE
V18543501 40/1854 BENTON LOUISA JOHN CAROLINE
V18543502 40/1854 BENTON ALFRED H JOHN CAROLINE
V18543503 40/1854 BENTON JOHN J JOHN CAROLINE

The eldest:

name: George William Benton
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Sep 1854
baptism/christening place: ST. SAVIOUR ARGYLE, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
birth date: 09 Nov 1845
birthplace: New South Wales, Australia
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Benton
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Caroline
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C39404-6
system origin: Australia-EASy
source film number: 993965
reference number:

 

[juliejtp]

I noticed that 1854.

 

[juliejtp]

Theres a death for a John Benton 1901 Gunagai - no age given, parents John, Elizabeth W.

 

[juliejtp]

The one you found seems more than likely.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can only see this marriage in NSW

V1848492 33B/1848 BENTON JOHN - SUTTON CHARLOTTE
CT= Church of England
Black Creek, Bulwarra, Cloden, East Maitland, Hinton, Hunter District, Maitland, Morpeth, West Maitland

That is not near Goulburn.

I can't see any children to John & Charlotte.

No death in NSW for a Charlotte that fits.

 

[DaveHam9]

I think you have found the right death for John.

Death of son John J/I

3915/1869 BENTON JOHN I - JOHN - CAROLINE - GUNDAGAI

Deaths of two more sons:

1589/1917 BENTON GEORGE W - JOHN - CAROLINE - ST LEONARDS
12485/1935 BENTON ALFRED H - JOHN - CAROLINE - ASHFIELD

 

[DaveHam9]

No deaths in NSW for BENTON with mother = Charlotte

No birth in NSW for Charlotte/Caroline SUTTON 1800-1830

 

[juliejtp]

I've found nothing either.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks for looking, Julie.

No death for a John BENTON re marriage to Charlotte in the Hunter region of NSW.

 

[DaveHam9]

The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 23 February 1857 p.3
THE LATE HIGHWAY ROBBERY NEAR TIRRANNA.-At the Goulburn Police Court on the 14th instant, Thomas Linnane, horse breaker, of Goulburn, and Martin Rourke, of Bangalore Gap... Witness went straight to the Chief Constable with the information he had received. John Benton, watchhouse-keeper, deposed that he knew the prisoners. They had been in his charge.

Oh.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 18 September 1901 p.10
GUNDAGAI, Tuesday.
John Benton, 92, a resident for over 40 years, died on Saturday. Deceased, who was at one time lock-up keeper here, was born at the Isle of Wight, and came to Australia in 1851. Deceased leaves two sons and five daughters.

George W, Alfred H, Jessie, Helen, Louisa, Emily & Jane.

Son John died in 1869 in Gundagai.

Marriage 2379/1870 PAINE WILLIAM - BENTON JESSIE - GUNDAGAI

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm thinking outside the box.

Births Jun 1845
Benton George William W London 2 232

George William Benton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 18 Mar 1845
christening: 20 Apr 1845 St. Botolph Aldersgate,​ London,​ England
residence: 1845 St. Botolph Aldersgate,​ London,​ England
parents: George Benton,​ Harriet Benton


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Births Dec 1845
Benton George William Benton Strand 1 372
Benton George William Benton Strand 1 379

Can't find a baptism.

 

[DaveHam9]

George William Benton
Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
birth: 09 Nov 1845 New South Wales, Australia
christening: 10 Sep 1854 ST. SAVIOUR ARGYLE, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
parents: John Benton,​ Caroline

Jessie Benton
Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
birth: 31 Dec 1846 New South Wales,​ Australia
christening: 10 Sep 1854 ST. SAVIOUR ARGYLE,​ NEW SOUTH WALES,​ AUSTRALIA
parents: John Benton,​ Caroline

Helen Benton
Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
birth: 16 Jul 1848 New South Wales,​ Australia
christening: 10 Sep 1854 ST. SAVIOUR ARGYLE,​ NEW SOUTH WALES,​ AUSTRALIA
parents: John Benton,​ Caroline

Louisa Benton
Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
birth: 01 Aug 1850 New South Wales,​ Australia
christening: 10 Sep 1854 ST. SAVIOUR ARGYLE,​ NEW SOUTH WALES,​ AUSTRALIA
parents: John Benton,​ Caroline

If they were all born in NSW why baptise six children in 1854?

The actual dob could be correct but the pob is in doubt.

 

[DaveHam9]

The info re John being a lock-up keeper in Goulburn then later Gundagai and arriving 1851 means most of those children baptised in 1854 could not have been born in Australia. I also means we have 2x John & Caroline but we can exclude the one in 1851 census born Essex abt 1817 and Caroline born 1825 Norfolk. The John who died in Gundagai was born about 1809 in Isle of Wight and spouse Caroline about 1821, place unknown.

The name could be BERTON in records.