John Bernard ROMBERG - ship to Australia

[DaveHam9]

Sheffield?

I can find Priscilla and Matilda and family in 1851. I can't find either in 1861. Didn't expect to find Priscilla but expected to find Matilda.

So arrival abt 1856.

 

[horse]

Sheffield?

Yeah, I thought it was Cheshire..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Cheshire.

Qld. Archives have finally restored the search function for Assisted immigrants. - No Priscilla.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yes, Cheshire.

Qld. Archives have finally restored the search function for Assisted immigrants. - No Priscilla.

Yeah, no *Romberg either

Geoff

EDIT: Should say no *Romberg list in the Early Pioneers Either.

 

[horse]

May or may not be of use, this is taken from the Qld. Archives re naturalisation [1879].

"ROMBERG John 4842 R 1879 841182SCT/CF36Z2286
ROMBERG Jorgan 4842 1879 882265SCT/CF14Z2205 [or John ROMBERG]"

So not sure if that is 2 people or one with a possible different first name.

Geoff

EDIT: If his name is Jorgan, he may have anglicised it to John. May have an impact on who we search for prior to the marriage.

 

[DaveHam9]

Looks like the same person with 4842 and 4842 R - NSW BDM used to use the 'R' to indicate an altered record. They won't actually admit to that now.

First ref in Trove for 'Jorgan' is 1865 but not connected.

Dave

 

[gibbo]

1882 M1909 Matilda Firth,, Joseph Firth,, Betty Platt

M = Marine death—happened at sea and was then registered at the first port of call in Queensland. There may or may not be details of burial.

FIRTH Matilda aged 24 Ship Roma 1882 june [Matilida was a remittance passenger]

If Priscilla had anything to do with Matilda been a remittance passenger would there be any record of it and if so any further into to help with Priscilla?

 

[horse]

Looks like the same person with 4842 and 4842 R - NSW BDM used to use the 'R' to indicate an altered record. They won't actually admit to that now.

Yeah. Also wondering if those references at the end are voyage refs, not too dissimilar from assisted refs.

Geoff

 

[horse]

If Priscilla had anything to do with Matilda been a remittance passenger would there be any record of it and if so any further into to help with Priscilla?

Unsure if it works the same as NSW with the deposit scheme, but remittance sounds paid as in unassisted.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Unassisted Geoff.

Where is Matilda in 1861?

Searching with J and Jorgan no help in Trove prior to 1864. John ran a coach service from the Towers.

Priscilla not on the Unassisted to NSW Mariners list.

"Priscilla Firth"~0 no hits in Trove at all.

 

[DaveHam9]

This was posted some years ago with the suggestion they met on the vessel. Don't know how likely that is. That message no longer exists.

 

[horse]

Where is Matilda in 1861?
Searching with J and Jorgan no help in Trove prior to 1864. John ran a coach service from the Towers.

Lancashire with a Priscilla maybe wrong ones...

1861
RD: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-RD: Hartshead
Piece: 3000; Folio: 42; Page: 23
Priscilla Furth 24 [b. Stalybridge]
Matilda Furth 22 [b. Mottram, Cheshire]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Queensland, Australia, Property Indexes, 1842-1895
Priscilla Firth
File Date: 1863
File Place: Queensland, Australia
Role: Seller
Item ID: 18764
Prev Sys: IMM/247
Microfilm Number: Z1570
Land Order Number: 2190
Collection Title: Land Orders 1861 to 1874

Geoff

 

[horse]

In 1881 that Matilda now Firth back in Cheshire, unemployed cotton weaver. She was a cotton weaver in 1861 as was Priscilla, if correct ones. Piece: 4061; Folio: 92; Page: 40.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

I think that's the right one in 1861.

Prev Sys: IMM/247 = Immigration - it was one of the many immigration schemes

Immigration schemes
Search Land orders 1861–1874—Registers of land orders issued to immigrants on the completion of their obligations under the law at the time, as well as land orders issued to employers of immigrants
Search Land orders 1862–1878—Registers recording land orders issued to immigrants on the completion of their obligations under the law at the time; the head of the family, businesses and Shipping and Immigration Agents could act as nominators

So Priscilla received a land order and then sold it. She had completed her obligation by 1863 - NSW they were usually 12 months with an employer.

So 1862 ??

 

[horse]

I think that the right one in 1861.

Prev Sys: IMM/247 = Immigration - it was one of the many immigration schemes

Certainly a possible, and if correct that would place the arrival at 1861-1863.
2/3 different birth places is a minor concern.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Maybe helpful to find the origin of this [Prev Sys: IMM/247]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

I think just a rename by the Archives Geoff.

http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemId=18764

No image - order a copy for $7.40.

Dave

 

[horse]

I think just a rename by the Archives Geoff.

Yeah, wondered if her arrival details could be found from it. Still, looks be close now.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Need to go, will leave you both to it.

Geoff